Psycho Mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am loving this discussion. But something is missing...

[shlin28]

Patience?

Anyway, why does Psychonaut have a copycat power when he can roleblock? Or does he copy a power and blocks the others from doing it? This makes no sense whatsoever, as if he picks a random person, he would not know what that power is being used, and the phases would be extended a lot as ATPG tells Psychonaut what the power is, and then Psychonaut telling ATPG what to do with the power.

I have made my case, and I can only wait

Edit: Made this a bit more readable

[Lord Winter]

I am loving this discussion. But something is missing...

Not WIFOM from the host.


I am fairly certain that Pscyconaught is innocent and that his increase in posts can be accounted for with his pro-town role. Shlin's reasons also have very little logic behind it and could implicate anyone.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I have no intention of breaking the tie - perhaps my death would be best for the town. Sadly we can't "trial" it and then bring me back to life. I would rather not be lynched, but I'm not going to obstruct the town if they think I'm inadvertently guilty.

Vote: shlin28

[shlin28]

The Provider curseth ye for ye insolence!!!

No reasons? No rebuttals against my poorly worded hypothesis?

I will be keeping my vote on Psychonaut cos I think he is the Psycho, but I am edging closer to lynching you though.

Edit: Read your edit, scratch the last two lines.

[Chaotix]

shlin, Psychonaut gained the ability to roleblock by copying it from someone else (probably Kralizec/Boudica V. II).

He is most likely given a choice each night of either copying someone's power (which he would have had to do at the beginning) or using one of the powers he's already copied, i.e. roleblocking or investigating.

Why is this so difficult to understand? His ability is not very outlandish within mafia game mechanics. Your case is really very weak, shlin... I still think you and white_eyes are looking for excuses and just voting for Psychonaut because his name has the word "Psycho" in it.

Remember, this is most likely our last lynch. If we don't get the Psycho today, then that leaves four of us for the night phase. Then one person is killed by the Psycho, and another one is burned to death in the fire. That leaves two, and one is still the Psycho. Mafia victory.

[shlin28]

What else could Taka's clues could have meant then? They have to mean something, and Psychonaut is the only person who kinda fits in with them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

When did he get those clues?




By the way; host's prerogative. And I assure you, this is completely fair.

[shlin28]

He got clues every night phase until he died...hmmmm....

Unvote: Psychonaut

For now...

[White_eyes:D]

Keep it tied shlin.....we will go another night..."The provider" wants it so

Psychonut has NO COPING ABILITYS, its a bluff. He said he was looking for "The Provider" right? well that's not the ability I have.....yet he claimed it was....and even then he was wrong, here is his quote.

We find us to be clean of silly thoughts, we do not like silly thoughts, boudica was us. We were boudica. White_eyes why do you speak so loud, boudica is not the Provider. Yes she isn't, shush you be quiet, no talking from you. The Provider is somewhere. We are all the Provider, we see all!

DEAD WRONG....it was taka.... his ability is a lie....*check post 171*

He also said he blocked me....but I never recived any results????

Actually we did role block you we'd quote the successful result but we are not allowed. Why are you lying?

So Omanes is a drug addict!? We have two theories, need some refinement. We shall reveal them when we have time.

Wrong....we can quote PM's....it was just a lie......now *feels the Provider giving him advice* Now shlin get your vote back on the evil side of Detective Andy and Vote Psychonut and Omanes why would ATPG make it that you kill people you investigate??? because he added a twist and that twist would be something your not aware of....now vote Psychonut or tie it up for another round to be sure...

[shlin28]

Vote: Psychonaut

I knew someone believed in me! I'm not just some raving lunatic you know

[Chaotix]

Actually, white_eyes, I myself was told by ATPG in my role pm that I couldn't quote his pms. It could very well be the same way with Psychonaut.

And your logic really doesn't add up here... in fact I can't figure out what you're trying to prove in the first part of your post.

I really don't want to go through every write-up in the game and show you all the clues leading to Detective Andy, but I may have to if Omanes or shlin ties it up again...

[Lord Winter]

Keep it tied shlin.....we will go another night..."The provider" wants it so

Psychonut has NO COPING ABILITYS, its a bluff. He said he was looking for "The Provider" right? well that's not the ability I have.....yet he claimed it was....and even then he was wrong, here is his quote.
DEAD WRONG....it was taka.... his ability is a lie....*check post 171*

He also said he blocked me....but I never recived any results???? Wrong....we can quote PM's....it was just a lie......now *feels the Provider giving him advice* Now shlin get your vote back on the evil side of Detective Andy and Vote Psychonut and Omanes why would ATPG make it that you kill people you investigate??? because he added a twist and that twist would be something your not aware of....now vote Psychonut or tie it up for another round to be sure...

FoS: White_eyes

Way to agressive, and your using very little logic.

[shlin28]

I made my decision, I will keep my vote on Psychonaut. If we lose, I'm sorry.

[White_eyes:D]

I made my decision, I will keep my vote on Psychonaut. If we lose, I'm sorry.

Thank you....shlin... Now if we can keep it tied....we well find out for sure if Omanes is our killer

Edit: I don't buy that Omanes is our killer I mean why would he admit so early on that he investigates people....who die in the same night??? (In a psycho Mafia, where everyone acts nuts?)
ATPG would not make such a twist that easy....

[Chaotix]

In my hypothesis, the twist is not that the supposed Detective is the murderer, it is that the Detective doesn't know he's the murderer. This is why Omanes would have no qualms about posting his findings that everyone he tries to investigate dies- Omanes believes he is pro-town, and the role he is playing is pro-town. But because we're talking about mental patients here, it's likely that Omanes' particular affliction, which is never actually detailed in any write-up, unlike all of our individual dementias, is that he has a split personality and doesn't know it. This split personality of his also happens to be a psychotic killer and a raging drug addict, and so when Detective Andy thinks that he's investigating people, in reality Psycho takes over and kills the person, searching for drugs.

Give me a half hour or so and I will have a full analysis ready for you, containing every night write-up and any of the other ones that I feel are significant. I'll also include summaries of my "late-night snacks" for you, if you so wish.

[naut]

Patience?

Anyway, why does Psychonaut have a copycat power when he can roleblock? Or does he copy a power and blocks the others from doing it? This makes no sense whatsoever, as if he picks a random person, he would not know what that power is being used, and the phases would be extended a lot as ATPG tells Psychonaut what the power is, and then Psychonaut telling ATPG what to do with the power.

I have made my case, and I can only wait

Edit: Made this a bit more readable

Basically, we pick a player during the day phase, and then pick a player to act upon. Early on we had no idea what would do what. In the results all became clear, especially when we found useful other's boudica's roleblock and Beefy's investigative powers.

Keep it tied shlin.....we will go another night..."The provider" wants it so

Psychonut has NO COPING ABILITYS, its a bluff. He said he was looking for "The Provider" right? well that's not the ability I have.....yet he claimed it was....and even then he was wrong, here is his quote.
DEAD WRONG....it was taka.... his ability is a lie....*check post 171*

Actually we did copy you, but since we pick during the day phase and boudica was lynched, the PM we received said that boudica wasn't the provider and that we were sad she was dead. So we have no idea what your role is, other than a snippet about the Provider, we were just fishing.

He also said he blocked me....but I never recived any results???? Wrong....we can quote PM's....it was just a lie......now *feels the Provider giving him advice* Now shlin get your vote back on the evil side of Detective Andy and Vote Psychonut and Omanes why would ATPG make it that you kill people you investigate??? because he added a twist and that twist would be something your not aware of....now vote Psychonut or tie it up for another round to be sure...

We can't quote PMs, it's detailed in our Role PM. We did block you, we sent you on a nice little adventure to the garden, wrapped in a tarp.

[White_eyes:D]

We can't quote PMs, it's detailed in our Role PM. We did block you, we sent you on a nice little adventure to the garden, wrapped in a tarp.

hmmm.......ATPG???? why didn't I get a pm about my action being blocked??? you didn't tell me, yet you told Lord Winter??

Sane thoughts: I mean how come I never received a PM, saying "I took a trip in the garden"....??? as host you must answer for this over-sight

[Chaotix]

Phew... here goes.

March 7th, 2009.
The Crusty Asylum for the Criminally Interesting.
Daybreak.

The clock radio went off inside Detective Andy's room. From the tiny speakers came Ozzy Osbourne's Crazy Train, and it seemed fitting. Last night there was a terrible storm, and a transformer blew just outside the Asylum. The backup generator was not functioning. The security locks for all of the rooms had been shut down, and the mental patients had been able to escape. The few orderlies had been massacred by some kind of serial killer. Andy had seen the carnage unfold outside his room, and he barred the door before he went to bed to keep himself from danger. There was no contact with the outside world, because the Asylum was in a remote area of the rural state and both the power and the phone lines were down.

Andy was there voluntarily; his wife had been brutally murdered while he was working late one night, and he never recovered. After several bouts with depression, he finally decided to commit himself. He had been doing better, and was on medication. Until now, he had been able to leave whenever he wanted. Now 15 deranged lunatics stood between him and freedom... and at least one of them was a known serial killer. The fallen nurses and doctors who had been victimized called out to him. He knew that he could attempt to escape unharmed, but Andy had been a detective all his adult life. He saw one of the bloodied and battered female nurses... and it reminded him of his late wife. He vowed to solve this case himself. Perhaps then, no more innocent people would have to die. Andy armed himself with the metal bar which he used to hold his room shut at night, for self defense, and took a notepad and pencil with him to investigate the huge crime scene. There was much work to be done. He had to avenge the deaths of the innocent. He had to find...




Psycho

This is our first look at Detective Andy. The first paragraph is a bit vague... obviously Andy sees dead bodies outside his room, knows that there must have been a serial killer here, and bars his door. Then he goes to sleep.

Next paragraph gives a background on Andy... says his wife was brutally murdered while he was working late. When do all of these Psycho kills occur? Late at night. How and why would somebody brutally murder his wife with an armed detective nearby? Perhaps Andy dozed off for a while was he was working... and awoke to find his wife dead. Notice Andy also arms himself with a metal bar.

The Day One Lynch write-up mentions Detective Andy, but only for two sentences:

Detective Andy was among them, and he was holding the metal bar. Andy knew from looking over his files that boudica was Mental Patient # 84703.

Incidentally, after eating boudica I got a slight case of indigestion, so she may have had a neutral role, or something violent besides.

The Crusty Asylum was active that night... many people were found roaming the halls. The sounds of moaning and banging and screaming made it impossible to rest. Detective Andy finished his investigation and barred the door to his room and tried to rest. The sounds outside his room were haunting. Many others could not rest, and some spent their time banging their heads against the walls of their rooms, and in an abandoned wing of the facility, someone had set a fire. The sprinkler system took care of it, but it was unusual that anyone would even be over there.

It was just before dawn, and Yoyoma1910 was sitting in his room, with a pile of books in front of him, and a black marker. He was furiously scribbling out all the evil words that he could find, especially the EVIL words. He made sure to blot out any quoted lines of dialogue as well.... he muttered to himself and drew pictures occasionally. He knew the supreme form of communication was not the word, but the graven image.

The door to his room had been left open, and he did not look up when someone entered. The intruder was wielding a knife, possibly one from the cafeteria. It was a crude instrument designed for a peaceful purpose, turned into a weapon. The Psycho was merciless, brutally stabbing Yoyoma1910 well past the point of death.

It was a senseless act of deplorable violence. The Psycho started rummaging through the drawers of Yoyoma's room, as if looking for something. His body was shaking violently. Not finding what he wanted, he left the room, and Yoyoma's body behind. Slowly the pool of blood from Yoyoma's remains rolled into the main hallway. He was found the next morning.

This gives us specifics on what Andy does He investigates early in the night, and returns to his room to rest. Then, after he goes to sleep, the Psycho appears. The Psycho, after killing Yoyoma, is seen to be looking for what we now know are probably drugs. As Lord Winter mentioned before, the behavior is very characteristic of a drug addict. And we know Andy is always hopped up on antidepressants...

We also know that Andy investigated Yoyoma earlier that night, as Omanes has told us. Perhaps Andy noticed Yoyoma's dresser, and the Psycho remembered it and decided to search there.


The Day Two lynch is uneventful, concerning Greyblades. That night, he tasted undoubtedly of innocence.

Captain Blackadder said he would stay awake all night, but he did not live up to his words. He fell asleep, but he was watched. Detective Andy was not the only one watching him. Apparently he had captured the attention of at least two people. They watched him for most of the night, but they left before what happened next.

Someone came for Blackadder that night. The Psycho had returned, to claim another victim. Blackadder was muttering to himself in his sleep... "I'm still awake... I'm still awake", and for a moment, the Psycho paused, worried that he might have been caught. But the madness returned; the madness that drove him to murder. The Psycho took a hammer and swung it at Blackadder's face as hard as he could. The Good Captain was no more, and his tongue would be forked no longer.

The Psycho swung over and over again, long after the deed was done. Then the Psycho began rummaging through Blackadder's room, looking for something. He tore the room apart in a fit of rage, and broke a chair against the wall. Disgusted, the Psycho left the room, and the awful mess he had left on Blackadder's bed would not be found until the morning.

Again, explicit mention that Andy was investigating Blackadder. Presumably another detective or roleblocker did the same, although I'm unsure who and it doesn't really matter. Then he leaves... and the Psycho comes back. The Psycho kills Blackadder, is dissappointed at finding nothing in the room, and leaves. Again, I think that the Psycho personality has limited memory of the Andy personality's last actions and uses that to decide who to kill and raid.

When I found this, post # 300, I was surprised:

Hmm, this is odd, looks like the killer could actually be Detective Andy - he was watching both and both were killed in the write up. Maybe he has bi-polar disorder or perhaps some form of multiple-personality disorder. Either that or the phyco gets told who get investigated before the night phase (that would be awkward if Andy were to submit late though). We'll see how things go tomorrow.

Omanes is actually the first person to suggest that Andy has a split personality, literally pages before we came up with the idea, and everyone ignored him. Omanes is Andy. Why is he suggesting this? Does he want to make himself look guilty? Rather, he wants to help the town. Omanes/Andy is town, but he is also the Psycho and doesn't know it.


Woad & Fangs' Day Three lynch is not useful. I ate him, he was innocent.

Beefy187 was sitting in his room, thinking about lots of things. For example, all the people he had been watching recently. He himself had been watched very closely by several people. But he didn't trust any of them. They were all up to no good, as far as Beefy was concerned. He drew many little pictures of smiley faces to express what he was feeling, but few people understood. He carried around a tape recorder to record what people had said, but no one listened to his recordings. He made hand gestures, and they still failed to listen.

Listening... that was the lesson for tonight.

They all had failed to listen to Beefy... who couldn't speak his mind. And now, he couldn't say who was in his room, about to kill him. Beefy accepted the inevitable... but he didn't much care for his attacker, who purported to be some kind of Provider.


The Provider died in a massive fireball which could only have come from Heaven.... or Hell.

Now we know from Omanes himself that he attempted to investigate Beefy but didn't get to, because taka (The Provider) did it instead. Then the fires started by Gobbledygook started killing.. and took down taka. When I dined on taka, he was heavenly but with a bit of spice, indicating he was probably our benevolent vigilante.

Ares' lynch on Day Four gives us nothing except for the fact that he was killed with a "blunt object". This could have been Andy's pipe, but also could have been the two-by-four, the butt of LW's shotgun, etc. Not evidence.

Detective Andy locked himself inside his room that night... and in the morning, he found an awful mess.... a mess left by the White Rabbit.


Spoiler Alert, click show to read: Unfortunately, I can't copy/paste pictures. This one is a bunch of broken prescription bottles and empty syringes in a dresser drawer.

No one died that night, but the fires that were constantly being set were now raging out of control.


Spoiler Alert, click show to read: This one's a building on fire.

The end was near for everyone inside the asylum. Would they be able to catch the Psycho?

Soon, death comes.

Now this is the one that takes the cake. Omanes didn't investigate anyone that night, he told us so. And so Andy just went to bed and locked his door. How, then, did the mess of used drugs get in Andy's room if it was locked? Was it Andy himself? No, he was sleeping and didn't know how the mess got there. As I previously stated, this was the night that I dined on taka's sweet flesh. This was the night that I stole Andy's drugs! So then how did I get into the room if he barred the door with a metal pipe?? I may be a cannibal, but I don't have superhuman strength!

The Psycho left Andy's room open when he took the metal pipe with him to go murder someone that night. But he didn't know who to kill or whose room to raid because Andy didn't investigate anyone. That's how I got the drugs.


....Day Five, we lynched Gobbledygook. I know he was evil because he gave me terrible indigestion when I made a Gobbledygook Salad with gasoline dressing out of him.

There was a song playing on the radio in Lord Winter's room; The God that Failed by Metallica. This song would have special meaning for the God of Winter.

"This song rules!" thought Lord Winter, as he jammed out to the awesome lyrics. He had taken apart his shotgun, and was polishing every single piece. He was about to go out and protect shlin28 from the Devil tonight, but the Psycho burst into his room and took him completely by surprise. Not one for man to man combat, Lord Winter knew he was done for. Accepting his fate, he launched himself towards his nemesis in a suicidal rush, grabbing what he could as a weapon and using it to flail against the Psycho. It seemed as though the Psycho could not be destroyed using such weapons, and the efforts of Lord Winter were in vain. No, Psycho was not going to be taken down today. Lord Winter flew into a rage and used every ounce of strength to destroy the Psycho, but it had no effect. Resigned to defeat, Lord Winter watched as the metallic object struck him in the face, ending his life. Lord Winter did not resist.

Once again, the Psycho went rummaging throught the drawers looking for something. He found something in Lord Winter's cabinet, and immediately took it. His shaking stopped for a brief moment, and he went back to his room. Meanwhile, the fires in the east wing raged out of control, and surrounded the room marked "Kralizec". Boudica was inside, and she watched in calm serenity as the flames came closer and closer. She walked calmly into the fire and allowed herself to die. Her sacrifice would not be in vain.... if the Psycho could be destroyed.

The fires in the west wing were now spreading... tomorrow, more will die. Detective Andy woke up with a headache.

Omanes again admitted that he investigated Lord Winter. Again, the Psycho killed Lord Winter, with a "metallic object". This time, the Psycho found the drugs he wanted, and took them.

Detective Andy now wakes up with a headache. Why would ATPG put his here if it was not significant? What happened this night phase that was different from the others? For one, Lord Winter fought back against the Psycho. The other is that the Psycho found drugs. Either or both of these events could have given the Psycho a headache. But it was Andy who had the headache.

There. White_Eyes, shlin, if you can provide as much convincing evidence as I have for Psychonaut's lynch as I have done for Omanes', then by all means do so. And if you're not going to read the whole thing, at least read the last two. This took me an hour and a half.

[White_eyes:D]

Very well, Chaotix.... your case is too solid....mine full of too many holes.. I am sorry "The Provider" Unvote:Psychonaut Vote:Omanes

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're very bold to make it this far... don't tumble at the finish line... or miss all the clues...

[Lord Winter]

In the last write up it mentions that Boucida sacerficed herself. Anyone have any clue on what this means?

[Chaotix]

Thank you, white_eyes.

All I know is that took a whole lot of effort and I would be pretty dissappointed if it didn't work.

On a more serious note, I have this hunch. Hinging on the fact that my hypothesis is correct, that means that Omanes is mafia and will not share in the town victory. However, if you've truly been playing as town this whole time, Omanes, then it would be a shame for you to lose this game, as your contributions helped us immensely. So I think if you vote for yourself then Detective Andy may be able to share in the town victory.

Edit: Boudica's sacrifice... I honestly think that it was just her in-character way of dying due to the flames. Her second role was that of a mellow yet delusional person. She thought she was taking people on vacation when she roleblocked them.

[White_eyes:D]

You're very bold to make it this far... don't tumble at the finish line... or miss all the clues...

you still didn't tell me why you made that mistake and didn't send me a "you were blocked thrown in a sack and left to die for tonight".... Unvote:Omanes Vote:Psychonaut until I get a answer for that, I can't waver.... A tie want hurt us if Omanes is guilty anyway

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd love to give you a hand, or at least a useful number. I explained why, White_Eyes.

[White_eyes:D]

NVM.....I finally got that cleared up
....could you be hinting at shlin28???

hand, or at least a useful number

Taka, Lord of all he sees
Can he see? Can he see?
No, he cannot see the forest for the trees.
However, a thinking man is he.
Think, Taka... and you shall be free.

Taka, Lord up higher than the trees
You can end someone's misery
But you only can do this once, you see
A silver bullet, for the Psycho, be.
Know for sure who is he.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So close.

[Chaotix]

Will you change your vote back now?

ATPG, stop. You're making me paranoid here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You have time left on the clock. Paranoia is useful, remember? The Golden Rule?

This is not the Golden Rule, it does not have a Golden Rule set-up. However, when everyone was way off the mark, I continually bombarded you with clues and laughter from the dead to make you paranoid.

[Chaotix]

Gah! You're trying to make me change my mind, but it will not work. My hypothesis is the most plausible out of anyone's; we have everyone else's role and Andy is the only one that fits.

And besides I figured out the Golden Rule after I died, and the town lost!
That's not helpful!