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    Default Re: Tactics you wouldn’t normally think off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tully Bascombe View Post
    Napoleon thought of it first.
    Napoleon did not think of it first. The fact that infantry in dense formations were extremely vulnerable to artillery had been known for well over 300 years by this time (pretty much since the introduction of cannon to the battlefield), and it was one impetus to the development of linear infantry tactics by Gustavus Adolphus.

    Adolphus (or arguably, his head of artillery Lennart Torstensson) was the Father of modern Artillery and introduced most of the tactics that were used for the subsequent 200 years. Horse artillery (the main component required for efficient execution of the tactic mentioned by OP) was developed by Lennart Torstensson during the 30 years war.

    Pretty much the only military innovation that can with some credibility be ascribed to Napoleon is the use of mass artillery batteries (though even that can arguably be credited to the Chevalier du Teil - a French artillery theorist and incidentally one of Napoleon's commanders). The "innovative" Napoleonic tactic was to form the artillery into a massive battery to bombard the enemy formations heavily at a specific point (which would have a devastating effect on the troops thus targetted) and then launching massive infantry column and/or cavalry charges into the gap in the enemy line to break them. Against steady enemy infantry (or as at Waterloo - troops that had retreated into cover during the bombardment, a favorite tactic of Wellington), the tactic could be disastrous; as Ney found out at Waterloo when he charged supposedly unsteady troops with the French cavalry.

    The Napoleonic tactic doesn't really work in ETW, as roundshot is simply not that effective in the game and enemy formations are more likely to charge forward and overrun the batteries than to stand and let themselves be pounded to shreds.

    The tactic of forcing enemy units into square and bombarding them with artillery or massed musketry does work, if the square is close enough that cannister shot can be used (in theory - horse artillery should be extremely useful for this). However, the AI's forming of squares is quite weird (it will often form them when there is no cavalry close by and only occasionally does so when the cavalry is close enough to charge), so as a battle tactic it rarely has a major effect.
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    Default Re: Tactics you wouldn’t normally think off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strategy View Post
    The Napoleonic tactic doesn't really work in ETW, as roundshot is simply not that effective in the game and enemy formations are more likely to charge forward and overrun the batteries than to stand and let themselves be pounded to shreds.
    Bingo.

    The reduction of artillery range and effect to make a playable game removes most of the real-world tactics associated with it, you can kind of fake it with mortars and some Eastern artillery pieces -- thus probably a lot of the outcry about Mortars in MP :>
    Last edited by Ordani; 03-25-2009 at 22:17.

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    Default Re: Tactics you wouldn’t normally think off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ordani View Post
    Bingo.

    The reduction of artillery range and effect to make a playable game removes most of the real-world tactics associated with it, you can kind of fake it with mortars and some Eastern artillery pieces -- thus probably a lot of the outcry about Mortars in MP :>
    Just mod the game (projectiles in db folder of patch.pack)
    I use a range of 500-600 for cannon and 90 for standard musket.

    Check the mod tools to do it yourself to your liking
    Or use my mod by clicking on the link below.
    Backup your own patch.pack before replacing it.

    link dead for cause of a new patch
    Last edited by Melvish; 03-27-2009 at 01:05.
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    Wink Re: Tactics you wouldn’t normally think off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strategy View Post
    Napoleon did not think of it first.
    Rocks, Paper, Scissors: Infantry, Cavalry, Artillery (only this time, with them new-fangled gunpowder thingies )
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