Should USA annex Canada?

[Melvish]

They pass this bit of funny subject on the local news last night.
Should USA annex Canada?. It made me so laugh that i have to post it here.

Seem some Americans have played Fallout1-2-3 way to much. OR this could be no joke!
Check this out!

They even have a WAR PLAN!!!

Better! the Senate Bill is already written and pending approval!

What do you think? Will Canadians be force to stop speaking English and use American instead?

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Disclaimer: this post is a farce and should not be taken seriously

[InsaneApache]

Well you could but then you'd have to accept Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II as head of state. Not to mention all those uppity Francophones residing in the middle bit.

[Vuk]

Without a doubt! Think of how easy those fishing trips would be!

[Kagemusha]

I think this is more backroom material, but nevertheless. Didnt you get your white house burnt to the ground last time you tried that?

[Strike For The South]

Y'all want to come in? Were trying to get out!

[Vuk]

I think this is more backroom material, but nevertheless. Didnt you get your white house burnt to the ground last time you tried that?

Nah, you must be talking about when Britain was kidnapping American citizens, arming Indians and encouraging them to murder Americans, and violating international trade agreements. As far as I remember though, the US (which was tiny at that point) wooped the British Empire big time. Naughty old Britain learned its place after the spanking America gave it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Should USA annex Canada? Why, of course! But first, may I suggest the US allows in Québec as the 51st state? For, needless to say, support for Canadian liberation by the Americans is enormous in Québec:





Then, after having thus forged a Franco-American unity, we can fight the English imperialist monarchists together, and put a final end on centuries of English tyranny in North America forever.
This is of utmost importance, since, as history has shown, America has never been able to defeat the English without French help.

[Kagemusha]

Should USA annex Canada? Why, of course! But first, may I suggest the US allows in Québec as the 51st state? For, needless to say, support for Canadian liberation by the Americans is enormous in Québec:





Then, after having thus forged a Franco-American unity, we can fight the English imperialist monarchists together, and put a final end on centuries of English tyranny in North America forever.
This is of utmost importance, since, as history has shown, America has never been able to defeat the English without French help.

Louis.Still bitter because of The French and Indian War (1754–1763)?

[Vuk]

Should USA annex Canada? Why, of course! But first, may I suggest the US allows in Québec as the 51st state? For, needless to say, support for Canadian liberation by the Americans is enormous in Québec:





Then, after having thus forged a Franco-American unity, we can fight the English imperialist monarchists together, and put a final end on centuries of English tyranny in North America forever.
This is of utmost importance, since, as history has shown, America has never been able to defeat the English without French help.

lol, that is why we repayed you by naming Freedom Fries after you.
A lot of Americans are unhappy with current French politics, but don't think we have forgotten your help. (Just wait till you strike back at England! (I mean the UK of course) You will have our support!)

[rasoforos]

It would be a great move. It will increase the percentage of US people that make sense to the rest of the world by a whole lot.


This is very Fallout indeed...

[Jolt]

I think Canada should Annex the USA. After all United States of America is a very wierd name for a country. After all, the United Provinces renamed to Netherlands (Low Countries), and the United States of Central America broke up. USA cannot exist with such a name! They must be annexed and called Canadians!

[Hooahguy]

i think we need to educate the new guys that politics belongs in the backroom. not the frontroom.

on the topic, we shouldnt annex.

[A Very Super Market]

We Canadians are much closer to Americans than we would like to be...

But no, annexation isn't really something to randomly do for fun. Besides which, why would you want to? Our trade with you is miserably one-sided anyways, due to a certain Mulrooney character, so why bother do all the work to pacify the French, de-alienate the BCers and make a huge "Prairie state" that goes from Saskatchewan to Oklahoma?

[Meneldil]

As far as I know, most Canadians hate the US, and many of the American I met thought - somewhat rightly - that Canada is the middle of nowhere.

I can't see how this would work.

A lot of Americans are unhappy with current French politics

Somewhat OT, but, how so? Afaik, the only real conflict took place before the Iraki invasion. France criticized it (turned out France was right). Apart from that, I don't see how french politics would make americans unhappy.

[Vuk]

As far as I know, most Canadians hate the US, and many of the American I met thought - somewhat rightly - that Canada is the middle of nowhere.

I can't see how this would work.



Somewhat OT, but, how so? Afaik, the only real conflict took place before the Iraki invasion. France criticized it (turned out France was right). Apart from that, I don't see how french politics would make americans unhappy.

Most Canadians hate the US? Jealous buggers, aren't they? :P
About France, it is very much oppsition to US policy that cause a lot of resentment, but also Frances social politics have lessened American's opinions of them somewhat.

[Melvish]

i think we need to educate the new guys that politics belongs in the backroom. not the frontroom.

on the topic, we shouldnt annex.

@hooahguy: yeh well i could not post into backroom until recently and my old old old login is no longer functioning. Google the org for Lord Melvish if you don't believe me you'll see how old i am. oh and you forgot to put your last statment in green so i did it for you in my quote.


@Vuk : That one thing that always make me smile: Why do they call, in USA, "fries" : French fries? They where invented by Belgian peoples!!!
I would have them rename Belgian fries or Jefferson fries, although you do have julienne right?

Last time i went to Toledo,Ohio at the restaurant the waitress still refer to them as "French fries".
I replied that "yes, i'll take some freedom fries", i could not resist.

@Meneldil: Canadians only pretend to hate the USA to remain on the good side of France, We also pretend to hate France to remain on the good side of the USA. Could get complicated if a American and a Frenchman is in the same room at the same time

[Vuk]

@hooahguy: yeh well i could not post into backroom until recently and my old old old login is no longer functioning. Google the org for Lord Melvish if you don't believe me you'll see how old i am.


@Vuk : That one thing that always make me smile: Why do they call, in USA, "fries" : French fries? They where invented by Belgian peoples!!!
I would have them rename Belgian fries or Jefferson fries, although you do have julienne right?

Last time i went to Toledo,Ohio at the restaurant the waitress still refer to them as "French fries".
I replied that "yes, i'll take some freedom fries", i could not resist.

@Meneldil: Canadians only pretend to hate the USA to remain on the good side of France, We also pretend to hate France to remain on the good side of the USA. Could get complicated in a American and a Frenchman is in the same room at the same time

lol, I was not serious. :P

[Strike For The South]

Should USA annex Canada? Why, of course! But first, may I suggest the US allows in Québec as the 51st state? For, needless to say, support for Canadian liberation by the Americans is enormous in Québec:





Then, after having thus forged a Franco-American unity, we can fight the English imperialist monarchists together, and put a final end on centuries of English tyranny in North America forever.
This is of utmost importance, since, as history has shown, America has never been able to defeat the English without French help.

You beat the English we beat the Germans. At the end of the day is there really any difference between the two? Two subordinate cultures always pushing people around because they do not have the class or sophistication that we French and Americans have?

[Vuk]

You beat the English we beat the Germans. At the end of the day is there really any difference between the two? Two subordinate cultures always pushing people around because they do not have the class or sophistication that we French and Americans have?

lol, are we forgetting that the English were so close to defeating us that had the continued the war there would have been no way for us to win. The only reason we survived is because they did not know how badly we were doing. Also, are we forgetting that it took almost the entire world to defeat the Germans (twice), and they performed better than either the French or the Americans? I am patriotic and all, but let us not get a big head. :P

[Strike For The South]

lol, are we forgetting that the English were so close to defeating us that had the continued the war there would have been no way for us to win. The only reason we survived is because they did not know how badly we were doing. Also, are we forgetting that it took almost the entire world to forget the Germans (twice), and they performed better than either the French or the Americans? I am patriotic and all, but let us not get a big head. :P

You obviously do not know the Frexas alliance.

[Meneldil]

@Meneldil: Canadians only pretend to hate the USA to remain on the good side of France, We also pretend to hate France to remain on the good side of the USA. Could get complicated if a American and a Frenchman is in the same room at the same time

Well, I'm actually kind of surprised by the average canadian's opinion of the US. I'm living in Sudbury (ON), and well, anti-americanism here sometimes get ridiculous, to the point that we french look like mere amateurs.
Mind you, Ontario is a rather liberal place, so for a while, I just blamed Bush and his politics. But things haven't changed with the latest election, and people seem to dislike Obama just as much as they hated Bush.

I also blamed it on the fact that I'm in political science, where people are most often rather leftist, but people from other background seem to more or less have the same opinion.

About France, it is very much oppsition to US policy that cause a lot of resentment, but also Frances social politics have lessened American's opinions of them somewhat.

Opposition to the US policy is a good thing. Allies are not only there to follow you blindly but also to tell you that you might be doing wrong.
As for our social politics, they are not news. We've been having great social politics since 1936 (and would have been the spearhead of social democracy since 1848 if it weren't for all the reactionary counter-revolutions we had to deal with), and things are unhappilly changing lately. Can't see how this would cause America's anger only now. Looks more like another attempt to bash France because it didn't blindly jumped into the 'coalition of the -stupid- willings' bandwagon.

Back on topic, Canadians literally only define themselves in opposition with the US.
Tim Horton's is awesome because it's better than Dunkin' Donuts
Canadian Healthcare is awesome because it's better than the US healthcare system.
Canada is awesome because it provided shelter to afro-american slaves
Monarchy is awesome because it prevents abuse of power
Etc. etc.
It does not matter that Americans and Canadians are actually pretty similar (at least to an European). The whole canadian identity is built through opposition with the US. I can't see how annexation would work.

[Vuk]

I can't see how annexation would work.

[InsaneApache]

I bet the descendents (of the quarter of the population of the colonies) who fled north in the wake of the American Revolution will be very pleased to find themselves back in the clutches of the 'patriots'.

[Prodigal]

Frances social politics have lessened American's opinions of them somewhat.

I think now would be the time to point out that France is in Europe, that's right across the blue stuff on the globe when looking at the good ol' US of A despite what many may think its, (unfortunatly), not confined to a state in Canada.

Sorry, that was rude, but do you get coverage of French social politics in the states? I've been there alot & try as I might have found it almost impossible to find any news outside of the state I was in.

[Vuk]

I think now would be the time to point out that France is in Europe, that's right across the blue stuff on the globe when looking at the good ol' US of A despite what many may think its, (unfortunatly), not confined to a state in Canada.

Sorry, that was rude, but do you get coverage of French social politics in the states? I've been there alot & try as I might have found it almost impossible to find any news outside of the state I was in.

Don't get so bent out of shape. I am not insulting France, simply stating the truth about what many Americans think. France was thrown into the spotlight during the Iraq War and people looked for reasons to criticise France. Everything from fashion to social policies were chosen as fair targets. I don't think there are any Americans who really do not like the French (unlike my experience in France has shown me about the French opinion of Americans), but there is a cliche that France is a country with a socialist socio-political structure that is causing corruption, crime, and unemployment to skyrocket, as well as that all the French are stuck-up, snail-munching hypocrites who like to think themselves intellectuals. I have lived in America all my life, so I dare say I know American sentiment better than a European. I never said I thought that about the French, I simply stated that regretably it was the case. Chill


EDIT: Oh yeah, and your comment about France being across the ocean is pretty much moot. Just because a country is across the sea does not mean we are not interested in it. You can say the same thing for America, why would Europeans be interested in America? It is across a sea after all. This is not the 16th century.

[InsaneApache]

I think you just made his point for him.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I don't think Canadians hate the USA so much as they detest Canada being thought of as an addendum to the US.

We tried, on 3 different occasions, to take Canada for ourselves. We got whipped every time we tried. Not bright to try again, and that is what an annexation effort would entail.

They want to come join us of their own free will, fine by me, but I'm happy enough with a friendly neighbor to the North.

[Vuk]

lol Seamus, I do not think anyone was serious about that. :P Unless I am greatly mistaken, every post about it, including the thread starter was in jest. To be honest with you though, I do not think I would want Canada to enter the States if they begged. Not anything against the Canadians, just how the heck would our flag look then with 51 stars? We have to stop that at all costs. (unless maybe we merge Canada into Alaska...or maybe if we just sell Hawaii to Cuba...)

[Strike For The South]

I like France. As evidenced by my user title

[HoreTore]

lol, that is why we repayed you by naming Freedom Fries after you.
A lot of Americans are unhappy with current French politics, but don't think we have forgotten your help. (Just wait till you strike back at England! (I mean the UK of course) You will have our support!)

OI!!!!

If anyone is going to pillage England again, it'd better be us!!

But, considering the "beauty" of the english females, I'll be more than happy to outsource our raping-rights to you. But we'll do the pillaging.