The Settlement [Concluded]

[TinCow]

hmm, thing is, when FH investigated me he saw through my cover role. But with blackadder he saw him as a priest. Was there anyone who just had a basic pm with no cover role, and that pm was used as a cover role by a power character?

I might be best to not do the duel, and have CA challange taka instead.

I know someone who only had a basic role PM with no cover (proven by investigation that reveals full role PM). However, that role was about as close to a normal boring townie as we could get in this game. CB's case is odd because he's claiming to be a Priest of OsiOsi, but with no powers. I simply don't think Reenk would have given that as a 'pure' role to anyone. Anyone who is just a plain boring townie with no powers would get a role that is along those lines, not one that connects them to a God.

[TinCow]

So is there not still a case to lynch CA once today and leave Jolt til later?... I haven't done the maths, but we know Jolt can be blocked, whereas didn't Pisuf evade the roleblock back near the beginning?
atm Jolt cannot win - we have him as good as in chains - but Pisuf is too much of a liability. If we lynch him for the first time today, he can still kill Blackadder in the duel (who I actually believe for the moment - the Iffo situation is too hairy to do nothing, but still very much an unknown quantity) and CA becomes far more manageable when brought closer to mortality.

unvote: vote: CountArach

This is a strong argument and one that should be considered. Jolt CAN be blocked. We've seen this happen and it works. CA CANNOT be blocked, we've also seen this happen.

[_Tristan_]

But what if the roleblocker (whoever that is...) is killed, then Jolt will get one shot at one of the settlers, a shot that could matter in the end...

And that still leaves Iffo to worry about...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I know someone who only had a basic role PM with no cover (proven by investigation that reveals full role PM). However, that role was about as close to a normal boring townie as we could get in this game. CB's case is odd because he's claiming to be a Priest of OsiOsi, but with no powers. I simply don't think Reenk would have given that as a 'pure' role to anyone. Anyone who is just a plain boring townie with no powers would get a role that is along those lines, not one that connects them to a God.

I don't know, the description of the priest role sounds pretty plain and boring. The only thing that worries me is how sparse it is. You can't rely on assumptions about the game setup though.

As for CA...it's a funny lie to make, saying that yoyo pm'd GH with his real pm, because either of the two of them prove his guilty if it was false. So jolt seems the best to me. We allow an extra kill from CA if he wishes to, but maybe the game ends, and maybe CA kills Iffo.

[TinCow]

As for CA...it's a funny lie to make, saying that yoyo pm'd GH with his real pm, because either of the two of them prove his guilty if it was false. So jolt seems the best to me. We allow an extra kill from CA if he wishes to, but maybe the game ends, and maybe CA kills Iffo.

As I said before, I've got CA's full REAL role PM, as sent to me upon my enlightenment in death by OsiOsi himself. Yoyoma's statement to GH are probably related to one of the extra abilities that were added to CA's role after he chose his path (solo). I cannot quote that PM, but I think the name of the power speaks for itself: Conversion.

[Jolt]

But what if the roleblocker (whoever that is...) is killed, then Jolt will get one shot at one of the settlers, a shot that could matter in the end...

And that still leaves Iffo to worry about...

Do as you wish. The way boudica proposed, I remain neutralized and CA is killed sooner. All it takes is this day (CA lynch one), and next night. If the roleblocker survives next night, then CA is killed and even if on night two the roleblocker is killed, I'll be dead the day after.

In any case, since CA has won powers through killing Sasaki, I sincerely recommend that Blackadder DOES NOT accept CA's duel. Who knows if he wins more power and becomes invincible to lynching.

Since I'm already bound, I may as well render the town a service and be used to kill Blackadder on the safe side (Since I gain no powers from killing), and you get to see whether CB has a role or not.

So Challenge: Captain Blackadder

You have two choices. Continue to accept CA's duel, be certainly killed and risk a new increase in his powers OR reject his duel, accept mine and die with the certainty that who killed you won't become more powerful. I still get to kill another settler and will probably be lynched in the end so.. It's your choice CB.

[Captain Blackadder]

Unaccept Count Arach

I have to go to bed so i will come back in the morning and see what to do.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree that we should have someone else duel blackadder. He's claimed a 1, so practically anyone should beat him, and we could learn something about their role as well. I suggest Lord Winter.

[TinCow]

The more I think about the 'lynching order' the more I become convinced that we stand a greater risk of screwing this up if we try to game it. We cannot control what these people do and they do not share the same objectives as us, so we should not count on them being willing to cooperate in duels or lynchings in any way. We could have two people set up to duel each other, and then one could Reject the duel 1 minute before the day phase is over. There are too many killers left and we simply shouldn't take risks like this.

Let's keep it simple and lynch Jolt, since we know for a fact that he's guilty. If we can get more info on CB through duel, great, but we shouldn't count on it.

[Jolt]

I agree that we should have someone else duel blackadder. He's claimed a 1, so practically anyone should beat him, and we could learn something about their role as well. I suggest Lord Winter.

The problem is what if he is a 5? You'll send someone to kill him and that someone might end up dead. I have one of the highest duel ratings in the game and whether he's faking it or not, he'll be killed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The problem is what if he is a 5? You'll send someone to kill him and that someone might end up dead. I have one of the highest duel ratings in the game and whether he's faking it or not, he'll be killed.

If he has a five then we know he's lying and we'll lynch him next round. I'd rather learn something about someone we don't know about than have you fight him.

[FactionHeir]

I think its best to lynch CA first to make him lose a life. Jolt can be blocked, CA cannot. Roleblocker just blocks Jolt while we lynch CA. If CA kills the blocker, we only risk 1 more death before both are gone anyway.

[Andres]

How about letting Jolt fight CA, lynch the one who's most likely to win, namely CA and block Captain Blackadder?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Because one of them will "reject" at the last minute. Lynching is the only surefire way.

Lynch Jolt, lynch CA, and pit the unknowns in duels.

[Sigurd]

Vote: Jolt
If you want someone with a duel score of one, I am willing to step up and duel Blackadder.

[Andres]

Because one of them will "reject" at the last minute. Lynching is the only surefire way.

Lynch Jolt, lynch CA, and pit the unknowns in duels.

You can try to go for the double kill

[seireikhaan]

A great calamity falls upon this town
Upon my face has appeared a deep frown
For now, I will vote: Jolt,
Hoping it ends revolt
And keeps this town from sinking further down.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Jolt
If you want someone with a duel score of one, I am willing to step up and duel Blackadder.

Yes, that would be good.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Which is why we need to kill Jolt then CA if the game does not finish with those two I volunter to die having a WIFOM in the final rounds will be a horrible thing for town and unfortuntly for me that means I will have to die.

May need to hold you to that CB. We have a lot of priest/investigators in this game, most of whom just seem to be priests of the good. That many investigators seems a tad imbalanced to me, and this game is running too well for me to believe that Reenk wasn't balancing things.

Somehow, I don't think all of those investigators are pro-town.



Pizza:

No apologies needed. There is always some suspicion going on in these little exercises in paranoia we call mafia games. I even, when you first voiced concerns about me in PMs, wondered if you were doing so in order to innoculate me against thinking the same thing of you!

In short, for all of us in these games, the question we ask ourselves is the same one asked by intelligence operatives:

"Sure I'm paranoid. But am I paranoid enough?"

[Sigurd]

Yes, that would be good.

Alright then, lets see if he chickens out. :)
Challenge: Captain Blackadder

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Jolt, Boudica:

I understand your argument as to timing, but there are just as many pitfalls to leaving you alive and hopefully blocked as there are to leaving arach alive and blocked. Given the time, I think we'll never reverse things enough to move off the massive jolt vote that's developed.


Dueling CB is a decent choice. Having CA do so may not be. I am a shepherd with a 2 duel. I should be able to take a 1, or at least the narrative should indicate that I was upset in a close encounter. If CB mops the floor with me...

Challenge: Captain Blackadder

[TinCow]

If Seamus' rating is a 2, he should indeed be the person to fight CB. I can see the winner of a 1 v 1 fight being determined randomly. This would result in more ambiguity on whether CB was telling the truth about his role. That wouldn't happen with a 2 v 1. If CB defeats Seamus, we'll know he was lying, which wouldn't necessarily be the case if he defeated Sigurd.

[LittleGrizzly]

Yes he has... it is Yoyoma... He sent my role PM to GH who then confirmed me innocent.

I had the impression that was sent some time ago when you were innocent...

Yoyoma could have easily come forward and cleared you in the thread (still alive right ?) or given the info to seamus who is still alive...

Whereas i was under the impression that whilst yoyo was still on your side he confirmed your innocence... but his absence has been glaring since the accusations were made on you... he has had plenty of time to come in here and post a defence of you...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Isn't Captain Blackadder chickening out of all duels at the moment? He just ducked his own death, he's not willing to duel. You must kill him using other means...

I unleash the terrible fury of Pisuf... destroy this "priest" who has no faith.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Isn't Captain Blackadder chickening out of all duels at the moment? He just ducked his own death, he's not willing to duel.

[TinCow]

Well, this should be pretty simple. Jolt is clearly toast, so we can forget about him.

W_E claims he can take care of Iffo with a night action. If W_E uses that action on CB, it should prove whether he's Iffo or not. If he is, CB will be dead. If he isn't, then presumably we will see CB's innocence in some manner and will be able to look elsewhere. Based on the way W_E is talking, I suspect he'd still take care of Iffo even if Iffo attacked him, so I doubt we'll see Iffo going after W_E tonight. So, pretty much the only people in the game who could prevent W_E from determining CB's status are Pisuf and the role blocker. It would be suicide for CA to kill W_E tonight, since that would prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he's anti-town. While I do not know the identity of the role blocker, other people obviously do and there's little doubt that they would similarly crucify that person if he blocked W_E tonight.

So, we've got a pretty clear course.

1) Jolt is lynched shortly.
2) W_E submits orders to do whatever anti-Iffo thing he does against CB.
3) CA doesn't kill anyone because there's no one he could kill that would help the town, thus killing proves he's scum.

The above should make any scum remaining after tonight very clear to everyone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was willing to duel Seireikhaan, so wipe that grin off of yer face. Seems we have a clear path forward... so... let's do it.

[Reenk Roink]

Day 5

The settlement was up in arms as serious charges were brought up against the man named Jolt from not one but two sources. The settlers were nearly unanimous that they had to get rid of him, but they also fretted about Pisuf and this new figure named Iffo. Many also wanted to fight a man named Blackadder who was apparently the captain of something..

At length, the priest king Reenk Roink emerged from his temple complex, alone (do you really think he would dishonor The Watcher and his wife?). He called for Jolt who was already well tied up. Reenk Roink had his Bronze Companions point their loaded bows pointed at Jolt due to the allegations that he was the sorcerer of Vode. The priest king began to interrogate the doomed Jolt, and while initially the sorcerer of Vode simply stared grimly, he soon began to open up, glorifying Vode and noting that even if the agents of Vode were foiled, the plan of Vode was still in effect.

One Bronze Companion, terrified at a movement Jolt made, prematurely fired, which led to a cascade culminating in the sorcerer of Vode being skewered with arrows.

Voting Record:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lord Winter votes Jolt
Yoyoma1910 votes Jolt
Seamus Fermanagh votes Jolt
Jolt votes CountArach
boudica votes Jolt
CountArach votes Jolt
taka votes Jolt
Captain Blackadder votes Jolt
Tristan de Castelreng votes Jolt
Psychonaut votes Jolt
boudica votes CountArach - final
Sigurd votes Jolt
seireikhaan votes Jolt

Challenge Record:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

CountArachchallenges Captain Blackadder
Captain Blackadder accepts CountArach duel
Jolt challenges Captain Blackadder
Captain Blackadder rejects CountArach duel
Sigurd challenges Captain Blackadder
Seamus Fermanagh challenges Captain Blackadder

Vote Tally:

Jolt - 14 (Lord Winter, Yoyoma1910, Seamus Fermanagh, CountArach, taka, Captain Blackadder, Tristan de Castelreng, Psychonaut, Sigurd, seireikhaan)
CountArach - 3 (Jolt, boudica)

Challenge List:


Alive:

taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
boudica
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelreng
Sigurd
Seamus Fermanagh

Executed:

777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
Andres
TinCow
Jolt

Fallen in battle:


Killed:

TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187
shlin28
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
LittleGrizzly

[White_eyes:D]

CountArach - 3 (Jolt, boudica)

hmmm....boudica was the only one to vote with Jolt....I may need to look into that....

[Askthepizzaguy]

She's probably the Earth Goddess.

Or no, wait, she's probably something completely different, and I'm just insane.