The Settlement [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I keep suggesting CountArach annihilates Blackadder tonight but I think my persuasive ability has expired for this game.

[Andres]

Why would CA help the town? What do you have to offer?

[White_eyes:D]

I would like to agree......but CB might not be Iffo... and if CA kills him and he is SK.....then it's another notch on his kill list down....

[CountArach]

Why would CA help the town? What do you have to offer?

Because I'm pro-town

[White_eyes:D]

I was thinking.....could Seamus be Iffo??? ATPG what kind of cover role/real role did he have.....??
I messed up thinking it was a beggar too.....

It was you who tricked the demon Iffo into a signing a contract which bound him to charity.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe he is at least a known quantity and if he follows the will of the town, he is a pretty tough cookie who can eliminate suspects of ours.

Then, we still have time to eliminate him if the other suspects turn up innocent. I don't see a downside. Someone educate me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was thinking.....could Seamus be Iffo??? ATPG what kind of cover role/real role did he have.....??
I messed up thinking it was a beggar too.....

Uh, no. Seamus and I are both shepherds, masons if you will. His role is the same as mine, I believe. But hey... you could always murder/challenge him to solve that mystery. Don't bother wasting our lynches though. Important is to use them on CA.

[Andres]

Oh, Mister CA is pro-town?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ah... even in death I receive enlightenment. Apparently our good friend Pisuf is not necessarily our good friend Pisuf. Pisuf, it seems, can choose whatever path he wishes. He could help you, he could help the servants of Vode, or he could simply seek victory for himself. Pisuf has apparently chosen to eliminate everyone and live only for himself. Pisuf's abilities alternate between investigation and killing. Tonight he can investigate, so he cannot kill. Pisuf is also completely immune to lynching one time, so you would need to lynch him twice to dispose of him. Since his alignment is now for himself alone, it seems like he will most certainly have to die. Fortunately, there is a man amongst you who is capable of disposing of this fellow tonight to avoid the most problematic double lynch.

Pisuf, my friend, I welcome you to your impending death.

Addendum, apparently I was incorrect about the alternating ability to investigate and kill. He is apparently capable of doing either of them whenever he wants. For this reason, and since I do not know whether the one person I know who can solve this problem will be online to submit his orders, I feel the need to call in the assistance of the Sorcerer of Vode. Mr. Sorcerer, while I do not share your goal of destroying the settlers, Pisuf is now a threat to us all. As he can survive his first lynching, the only effective way to eliminate him is to kill him at night. Pisuf is probably a greater threat to you than the entire rest of the settlers combined. For this reason, you should dispose of him tonight, so that you can then return to killing Settlers in peace from there on out. After all, not only can you not lynch Pisuf, he will surely start killing immediately now that he has been exposed. He may eliminate you through sheer luck.

For these reasons, Sorcerer, I highly recommend that you kill CountArach.

Also:

As I said before, I've got CA's full REAL role PM, as sent to me upon my enlightenment in death by OsiOsi himself. Yoyoma's statement to GH are probably related to one of the extra abilities that were added to CA's role after he chose his path (solo). I cannot quote that PM, but I think the name of the power speaks for itself: Conversion.

You guys have a God wandering around you, determined to kill off all townies and able to convert townies.

The investigation results used by the so-called town network are useless. You are infiltrated by Pisuf knows how many converted followers.

Town needs to lynch CA twice and they need to do it as soon as possible. I really cannot believe you guys leave an invincible murderer with the ability to recruit alive.

He's the biggest threat. Get rid of him.

[White_eyes:D]

Uh, no. Seamus and I are both shepherds, masons if you will. His role is the same as mine, I believe. But hey... you could always murder/challenge him to solve that mystery. Don't bother wasting our lynches though. Important is to use them on CA.

Or I could just Reseal him..........Its like you dodged the question.....

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes? And?

CA can kill our other suspects WHILE WE ARE LYNCHING HIM. The challenges go into effect before the lynches, and we have to lynch him twice.

Downside please?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or I could just Reseal him..........Its like you dodged the question.....

His role is the same as mine. No cover role. Ask seamus to reveal his. I deleted mine, but if you REALLY need it I can dig it up from my saved as text PMs.

I'm dodging nothing. I readily admit Seamus could have been converted, so, do what you have to do. Eliminate all the suspects, I don't care. But if you let CA waste his talents, before you kill him, you're missing a chance for CA to not only prove his innocence, but catch the real scums, and he's dead ANYWAYS if he's still scum!

DOWNSIDE please.

[Andres]

His role is the same as mine. No cover role. Ask seamus to reveal his. I deleted mine, but if you REALLY need it I can dig it up from my saved as text PMs.

I'm dodging nothing. I readily admit Seamus could have been converted, so, do what you have to do. Eliminate all the suspects, I don't care. But if you let CA waste his talents, before you kill him, you're missing a chance for CA to not only prove his innocence, but catch the real scums, and he's dead ANYWAYS if he's still scum!

DOWNSIDE please.

Why are you ignoring the facts?

a) TinCow got enlightened upon dead and told us CA decided to go solo which means his goal is now to exterminate the town.
b) TinCow got enlightened and told us CA has the ability to convert.

So basically, you have an invincible godfather-like power role, able to kill and convert, who will not stop until the last townie has been disposed off.

By all means, go ahead and "use his talents". If you want to buy a one way ticket to your own doom, then by all means, be my guest.

[White_eyes:D]

Conversion???......if CA does have that power.....then how many nights have passed since he start converting??(and not killing if true?) Sasaki was killed on night one....that gives CA three nights....(including tonight)......It makes sense..he has not been killing because he is recruiting....

[Andres]

Conversion???......if CA does have that power.....then how many nights have passed since he start converting??(and not killing if true?) Sasaki was killed on night one....that gives CA three nights....(including tonight)......It makes sense..he has not been killing because he is recruiting....

Exactly. This has also the consequence that the townie network is completely and utterly useless and probably has been providing information to the followers of Pissuf, who won't stop until the last townie died.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fine. I'm probably wrong anyways, and I won't be responsible for another townie blunder. CountArach doesn't kill, as per our collective request, and he dies immediately.

I have no influence over things anyway. I'm just a sad, sad, lonely ghost.

[White_eyes:D]

I am going to find and think on, who for those three nights CA likely recruited.....I think Sasaki and GH should help since Sasaki(is allied with Iffo and therefore likely not with Pisuf) and GH (has a knack for these things...)

Edit: there is a 80% chance CA recruited these two people....Seamus and boudica
Seamus, because on night two(?) he revealed information on the Pro-town network....very tempting a target for conversation if SK...
boudica, because they have worked well together in the past....and Mafia/SK don't stray too far from home when choosing there buddies....

Anyone else, I can't say.....would require me to look too in depth.....

[Andres]

Fine. I'm probably wrong anyways, and I won't be responsible for another townie blunder. CountArach doesn't kill, as per our collective request, and he dies immediately.

I have no influence over things anyway. I'm just a sad, sad, lonely ghost.

It doesn't matter if CA has/does/will kill or not. For all we know he can ask his followers to kill or he goes killing himself because, with X recruits, him staying alive is not longer necessary to obtain victory.

Heck, there could be a role similar of mine that got recruited by CA and will now kill on his behalf.

CountArach must get lynched; the sooner the better.

[LittleGrizzly]

I can't be sure... need TinCow to know for sure... but i don't think he has been recruiting for 3 nights...

Or at least for maybe the first or first 2 of those nights we have a night action on him...

CA is a big threat... i was partially coming round to the idea we could use CA... but its a hell of a risk!

[White_eyes:D]

I am going to find and think on, who for those three nights CA likely recruited.....I think Sasaki and GH should help since Sasaki(is allied with Iffo and therefore likely not with Pisuf) and GH (has a knack for these things...)

there is a 80% chance CA recruited these two people....Seamus and boudica
Seamus, because on night two(?) he revealed information on the Pro-town network....very tempting a target for conversation if SK...
boudica, because they have worked well together in the past....and Mafia/SK don't stray too far from home when choosing there buddies....

Anyone else, I can't say.....would require me to look too in depth.....

[Askthepizzaguy]

CountArach must get lynched; the sooner the better.

Well go get him. Town seems to agree he should die.

All I wanted to do was make absolutely sure we thought our actions through. Seems we have, and I am in the minority opinion.

Cheers. Good luck people.

[Sigurd]

I think we should have another look at Lord Winter. He claims Merchant with duel score of 7.
If you look at Andres' Merchant role, it says 4.
I know that a vanilla merchant role has only a 1 as duel score. I can't quote on my cell, so please have a look at Andres' duel text in his quoted role PM. You will realize that a one would be the natural score from "weak as the silk you sell".

[White_eyes:D]

Lord Winter. He claims Merchant with duel score of 7.

It was you who tricked the demon Iffo into a signing a contract which bound him to charity.

I think we have found our demon.......I am going to send in my orders....bye-bye Lord Winter

[boudica]

boudica is a farmer, not a beggar.

I'm assuming you/your source has investigated me then. I have been reluctant - with good reason i think - to reveal my role, and have avoided all townie networks for the following reasons:

1) We were all repeatedly requested by a townie to role-reveal, a townie with another clear solo victory agenda (Askathapizzadude)
2) 'Respectable' players warned town collectively not to reveal
3) I was given a role that was also used as a fake role for some player/s(?)- this is the reason that I was inclined to believe Capt. Blackadder's claims before he posted the Sasaki PM.

I am a farmer - as I have RPed - my battle rating is 2 and my only mission, aside from PWNing plant-life, is to outlast the usurpers.

@ White_Eyes: Sure go ahead and do to me whatever your anti-Iffo night skill is. The only time I have heard of Iffo has been in the thread. If you read the thread properly the only reason I switched my vote from the clearly guilty Jolt to CountArach has already been supported as a coherent pro-town strategy and was about who to lynch first - I still believe that my theory would probably have been better for town give Pisuf's overpowered status. Capt. Blackadder - due to the revealed PM by Sasaki about recruiting for Iffo should probably be the target, but I guess you can go back to that once I have been proven innocent.

@ CountArach - you keep stressing how pro-town you are (in order to influence those who are only skim-reading this epic thread???) - it has already been established that you ARE NOT pro-town and that you are only out for yourself.

[Captain Blackadder]

Ok then so what is going on now I am getting confused. Is this the plan?

We are lynching CA to get him down to one life
I dual with Seamus
White Eyes tries to find Iffo and seal him once again btw white eyes you didn't answer my question is your ability a one shot thing or can you do it every night?

[boudica]

How come I always post at the same time as about 5 other people ??

[Captain Blackadder]

Its just bad luck really

[White_eyes:D]

A little late for that.....if I am wrong....I am sorry Lord Winter.
but on the bright side you will not be dead.....you will just lose that awesome Duel score sadly.....

[White_eyes:D]

Ok then so what is going on now I am getting confused. Is this the plan?

We are lynching CA to get him down to one life
I dual with Seamus
White Eyes tries to find Iffo and seal him once again btw white eyes you didn't answer my question is your ability a one shot thing or can you do it every night?

If I said anything, other then the fact that I am "The Watchers Apprentice" I would be helping Iffo kill town.....that I don't want....

[boudica]

If I said anything, other then the fact that I am "The Watchers Apprentice" I would be helping Iffo kill town.....that I don't want....

Kind of explains why you were flexing your muscles and trying to beat up Shepherd Masons on day 1

[Askthepizzaguy]

Poor shepherds.

Man did we get the short end of the stick this game in terms of power and abilities. I frankly hope Seamus got recruited so he could at least revel in sadistic pleasure over something.