Possible Final TW Game?

[Ethelred Unread]

WW1 or even WW2 are highly doable. The basic concept would be pretty much the same, the real time battles would just play like Men of War or World in Conflict.

I really don't think that the TW model is set up at all for these wars. If you want the grand strat map then you can't have the real time battles because each section of the front is huge, (=lots o' regions) and the battles take months, whereas prior to 1900 (most) battles could be fought decisivelyin a day, or a couple of days.

If you have smaller battles for specific objectives then where is the strategic importance after each battle? You would be fighting constantly and each turn on the strat map would be one day - which isn't practical for a game purporting to be ww1 TW or ww2 TW. For both of these how do you represent naval or aerial supremacy?

For ww1 or ww2 you either need to concentrate tactically, or strategically, I don't think that the TW model is ready to do both.

Aren't there enough WW2 games already?

[Graphic]

Aren't there enough WW2 games already?

Are there a lot of WW2 games? Most definitely. Are there enough good ones? Not nearly.

[andrewt]

I'm not sure how the TW series can incorporate tanks and especially planes in its RTS portion without a major overhaul. Then again, we've had 2 major overhauls of the campaign map while the battle portion is basically the same as Shogun's.

[BharatRakshak]

I hope TW builds an Asia-centric game for the ancient and medieval time periods. Asia technically might be large and consist of several factions, but I don't think there is a market (yet) particularly aimed at China map only or India map only, this may change in due time.

[JRCDave]

1815 to 1906 would be a good time period. Pre-dreadnought with longer ranges for rifled muskets and eventually the Maxim. I would like the RTBattle option of digging in and of course all units would have the option to spread out. Pre dreadnought battles were envisioned at ranges of less than 5000 yards. I think it would be fun to advance the Zulu to high tech status with the option to buy western advisers or send students to university. Would provide the option to reverse western Imperialism or maybe the French or Germans would eclipse Britain. What if Germany moved east at a earlier time or Russia procured a warm water Port or France ignored the Monroe Doctrine or Britain went in on the side of the South. The possibilities are endless. What if you played as the USA and could stave off the civil war or no matter what, the war starts in 1861. How about China actually getting it's act together and fending off the west and establishing a Constitutional Monarchy or Republic. The tech tree would be fun and give the opportunity to really have some lopsided battles. Anybody remember Omdurman? Needle gun vs. Spencer. You could concentrate on industrializing the South prior to the civil war and abolish slavery early and then dominate the North. I get chills just thinking about Imperialism: Total War or ITW. Maybe CA will read this and I can get a royalty on the Name.

[The_Reckoning]

Something which would be interesting would be a game which incorporates all of the 'old world'. Dark Ages. All of Africa, Europe and Asia. No Americas.

They could easily do it. There are mods for MEII which extend the map plenty in scale..

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think PC games are going to struggle in general. PC's are too diverse and complex for games to be reliable on them. I upgraded my PC in anticipation of ETW, and I can't play it because of the BSOD. I would rather just have a console and know the game I get will work on it.

[a-e]

I suppose the ultimate goal would be a game that stretches from rome to around 1850. Would be complex game, but what a game!

[ChaosLord]

If R:TW and then M2:TW didn't sound a death knoll, I don't think E:TWs relatively few issues are going to do it. Personally i'm hoping the next one goes back into ancient warfare, still waiting for a Three Kingdoms TW.

[hellenes]

Any time I play World In Conflict I can hear it scream "MODERN TOTAL WAR" and if it had a campaign map it would be exactly that....
Rember that all TW games are on a scale...why not WWII? I just hope to live to see a WWII TW game...the era has been represented miserably in pathetic Dune2 clones...

[Nelson]

I really don't think that the TW model is set up at all for these wars. If you want the grand strat map then you can't have the real time battles because each section of the front is huge, (=lots o' regions) and the battles take months, whereas prior to 1900 (most) battles could be fought decisivelyin a day, or a couple of days.

If you have smaller battles for specific objectives then where is the strategic importance after each battle? You would be fighting constantly and each turn on the strat map would be one day - which isn't practical for a game purporting to be ww1 TW or ww2 TW.

This is true. 20th century warfare is not compatible with Total War's strategic and tactical scaling. The game would have to extrapolate tiny tactical skirmishes into front rupturing major victories on the strategic map.

In modern warfare tactics are still important battle by battle but are insignificant compared to industrial might and staying power. Something might be doable that would allow tactical fights to exist with strategic maneuvers but it couldn't be TW as we know it.

Empires is not the end of the line. FBE is spot on. If Total War keeps on making money, CA will keep on making Total War.