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**Prussian to the Iron** · 03-28-2009, 15:35

........................except germans.............................

**Hax** · 03-28-2009, 17:44

........................except germans.............................

Gross mistake; I think those German soldiers that defended Berlin until the last hours were about as valiant as the defenders of Stalingrad.

**rajpoot** · 03-28-2009, 17:49

Yup, hate the crime not the criminal Gandhi said. And anyway, this is a sensitive issue, but I think that it wasn't the German soldiers who were the villeins.....the real culprits were those who gave the orders.

**Prussian to the Iron** · 03-28-2009, 17:50

the difference is that they were fighting for the reich, who were mostly evil. i admit some german soldiers did not necessarily believe in nazism, but the SS that defended the reichstag were horrible and evil

**desert** · 03-28-2009, 19:06

That's a common error. Most Germans who fought in WW2 were not Nazis. Wehrmacht |= Schutzstaffel.

They were just fighting for their country, not because they were evil or wanted to murder everyone.

**PanzerJaeger** · 03-28-2009, 19:52

Originally Posted by John-117

the difference is that they were fighting for the reich, who were mostly evil. i admit some german soldiers did not necessarily believe in nazism, but the SS that defended the reichstag were horrible and evil

That isn't accurate.

**Fragony** · 03-28-2009, 20:08

Originally Posted by John-117

the difference is that they were fighting for the reich, who were mostly evil. i admit some german soldiers did not necessarily believe in nazism, but the SS that defended the reichstag were horrible and evil

Can't blame the germans for a european tragedy, wasn't the germans it just started there. A german soldier who saved dutch 2 kids is getting a statue here, good. Never really had a problem with the germans.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-28-2009, 20:45

This is a bit Backroomish isn't it? I'm sure Germans are no different from anyone else, their country just happened to be backing a very evil cause at the time.

**Prussian to the Iron** · 03-28-2009, 21:31

im not saying the actual soldiers are evil, just the high up ones that are super loyal and uber nazis like the SS and whermacht

**Megas Methuselah** · 03-28-2009, 21:39

Look at it my way: every politician is an evil kind of guy.

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 03-28-2009, 22:52

Originally Posted by John-117

im not saying the actual soldiers are evil, just the high up ones that are super loyal and uber nazis like the SS and whermacht

No, you said that "some soldiers did not necessarily believe in nazism". Further, you think "SS and whermacht" were "uber nazis", which is a bit stupid since organisations cannot be nazis, only persons can.

Well, if you want to give your life a meaning, you could study history and read some books instead of just watching History Channel or that crappy Hollywood movie about the Russian sniper. You could also learn that there's actually a big difference between the SS, the Waffen-SS and the Wehrmacht. And that 99% of the German soldiers did not fight because they were so evil, but for their country and because they were told so.

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 03-28-2009, 21:30

Originally Posted by John-117

the difference is that they were fighting for the reich, who were mostly evil. i admit some german soldiers did not necessarily believe in nazism, but the SS that defended the reichstag were horrible and evil

In contrary to the Russians, who fought for Stalin and everyone knows what a cool guy he was.