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    Default Re: Well this is great,

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    It is only meaningful if somebody makes a big deal out of it. Only a complete fool would think less of Israel or the IDF just because a soldier wore a t-shirt with an offensive message.
    They would be right in thinking less of them if they allowed this action to occur without proper disciplinary action.



    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    That doesn't change my point.
    What is your point? That soldiers should be allowed the same individualistic freedoms as civilians? That wouldn't make a strong and well regarded organization.



    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    They are doing their jobs in the military. Their clothing has absolutely no effect on how the jobs in question are carried out.

    Obviously the Israeli military organization disagrees with you.

    It does immensely. When members of a military organization insult other cultures, it greatly hinders their ability to perform actions within those cultures. Especially when tactics of soft diplomacy are used.

    These shirts are threatening and insulting to a people that these soldiers must regularly interact with. Upsetting these people in this manner places their fellow soldiers at risk for retaliation.
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    Default Re: Well this is great,

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910 View Post
    They would be right in thinking less of them if they allowed this action to occur without proper disciplinary action.
    That is a matter of opinion.

    What is your point? That soldiers should be allowed the same individualistic freedoms as civilians? That wouldn't make a strong and well regarded organization.
    No, my point was rather that before criticizing these soldiers we are making a big deal about something relatively small.

    Obviously the Israeli military organization disagrees with you.
    They have little choice in the matter.

    It does immensely. When members of a military organization insult other cultures, it greatly hinders their ability to perform actions within those cultures. Especially when tactics of soft diplomacy are used.
    Fair enough, but really, how often are those t-shirts being worn over regular military equipment rather than just on base?

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