The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[ULC]

I can't believe people aren't going to put Diana to death for her lurking. Its sooooo obvious she's a mafioso...

You two have posted essentially the same amount, so watch the "Lurker"

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

More an pizzaguy.



Actually, I tried to make it up to you after coming perilously close to calling you an idiot:





This is from the day when boudica and pizza were tied briefly.



The above criticism was directed at you after you backed off boudica. I was trying to get boudica lynched that day. Also, and you noted this yourself at the time, Ituralde was present while ares and boudica were tied and did not vote:





I didn't originally state that you were oswald. I said that you were brendan because: the kill choices made by brendan matched the people you were suspicious of, and because of your connection with andres and little grizzly. You also pursued Ituralde from the get go.

Now I will ask you a question Pizza.



This is what you just accused me of doing. You even implied that you could rest your case on that point.

Summary on Pizza guy:

1)The day one self lynch was a fake, and his own posts reveal the only point of it was to make him look innocent.
2 &3)In response to my accusation of him today he has made a nonsensical accusation of boudica and I being english mafia. Specifically english mafia, with no mention of who he thinks the irish mafia are.
4)The kill choices of brendan are people pizza guy wanted to kill

Rebuttal:

Hi Oswald! Name all the people remaining who could be Oswald.


Perhaps the only thing you said I will respond to:

Why are you only going after the people you think are English mafia?

Because of the big eloquent murder writeup, and because the number of Oswald suspects are dwindling. It's down to just you and a select few other people. You've tipped your hand when you spend most of the time on your case of who is Irish mafia. Interesting that you'd then turn around and say I'm stuck on who the English are. I am hunting for Oswald due to the ever shrinking suspect list for who that player could be, and in doing that, I might be able to deduce who one of the Godfathers are.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm a bit knackered. Right now, I think that pizza guy is definitely mafia. Most likely, the Irish grunt, due to kill choice and pursuit of ituralde. I will have to reread very carefully to determine whether LG or boudica is his godfather. In my opinion, boudica can't be the english godfather due to Ituralde not breaking the tie. LG, despite his mention of the two blind mice thing which had linked him tenuosly to the irish mafia, is my top candidate for english godfather if he isn't the irish one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh here, let me solve it, Sasaki. Be right back.

[Reenk Roink]

It also makes sense how Andres always interjected when I posted on Atpg. Pretty obvious town, but get GH too!

edit: Lastly, look at the differences in the way that Atpg posted and the frequency of his posting in both The Settlement and this game. The former is more playful which is what Atpg had always said he would do after gf3. The latter is more to the point and reminiscent of Prometheus where Atpg tries to portray himself as super townie when he is town, but tries too hard which gives the telltale signs...

For the conservative post analyzers out there, this is a damning piece of evidence again.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Rebuttal:

Hi Oswald! Name all the people remaining who could be Oswald.


Perhaps the only thing you said I will respond to:



Because of the big eloquent murder writeup, and because the number of Oswald suspects are dwindling. It's down to just you and a select few other people. You've tipped your hand when you spend most of the time on your case of who is Irish mafia. Interesting that you'd then turn around and say I'm stuck on who the English are. I am hunting for Oswald due to the ever shrinking suspect list for who that player could be, and in doing that, I might be able to deduce who one of the Godfathers are.

This is nonsense atpg. I've made my case for who the english mafia are. I had them pegged as two lurkers so pardon me if I didn't have piles of evidenc. I've stated what I think about everyone left alive--this is because I'm looking for all the mafia, not just the english ones like you are.

You can't refute anything I've said.


pever, in the event of a tie, will both people be lynched again?

also, Life:Diana

Even though she votes the same way as pizza and is a mafioso by proxy, once he's rid of she still counts as a townie.

[ULC]

Do realize there are only 4 town left - it's 50/50 whether we are right.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alive:

Due to investigations:

Askthepizzaguy- Not Oswald (I have the Askthepizzaguy Clue card)
LittleGrizzly- Not Oswald
GeneralHankerchief- Not Oswald
Sasaki Kojiro- never investigated
Lord Winter- ???
serierkhaan- Not Oswald
Diana Abnoba- ???
boudica- Not Oswald
El Diablo- Not Oswald



That leaves you, me, Lord Winter, and Diana. Even leaving my personal knowledge out of it, Diana wasn't even present for at least one of the murders. Lord Winter, doubtful due to his desire to leave the game. I know I'm not Oswald, and even you aren't accusing me of being Oswald anymore.

That leaves.... you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch me, Sasaki, and boudica, please.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Alive:

Due to investigations:

Askthepizzaguy- Not Oswald (I have the Askthepizzaguy Clue card)
LittleGrizzly- Not Oswald
GeneralHankerchief- Not Oswald
Sasaki Kojiro- never investigated
Lord Winter- ???
serierkhaan- Not Oswald
Diana Abnoba- ???
boudica- Not Oswald
El Diablo- Not Oswald



That leaves you, me, Lord Winter, and Diana. Even leaving my personal knowledge out of it, Diana wasn't even present for at least one of the murders. Lord Winter, doubtful due to his desire to leave the game. I know I'm not Oswald, and even you aren't accusing me of being Oswald anymore.

That leaves.... you.

Pizza, you just claimed to be brendan.

If you know it wasn't diana, and you know it wasn't lord winter because he offered suicide ( ), and you say that I'm Oswald...who does that leave?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd rather take down the entire English mafia in one night and claim credit, Sasaki.

DIE!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!

[ULC]

It also makes sense how Andres always interjected when I posted on Atpg. Pretty obvious town, but get GH too!

edit: Lastly, look at the differences in the way that Atpg posted and the frequency of his posting in both The Settlement and this game. The former is more playful which is what Atpg had always said he would do after gf3. The latter is more to the point and reminiscent of Prometheus where Atpg tries to portray himself as super townie when he is town, but tries too hard which gives the telltale signs...

For the conservative post analyzers out there, this is a damning piece of evidence again.

You mean lazy. You yourself refute this as a bad way to determine guilt, but are willing to use it as evidence against ATPG? Either you think he is incapable doing what you say everyone else can (change their style as they see fit), or just trying to heap poor accusation on top of him.

And do remember I am innocent looking in, not mafia scum trying to save my partner, so watch the hypocrisy, kay

[seireikhaan]

Here's a question, folks; why is there even a "life/death" option made separate, exclusively for Diana?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:LittleGrizzly

Will complete my reread before voting closes. But with pizza certain as mafia, I don't believe his play today accusing boudica is something he would do. I go back once more to his "I just don't buy grizzly as mafia, sasaki, I'll vote him tomorrow" when I presented my case on grizz.

[Reenk Roink]

You mean lazy. You yourself refute this as a bad way to determine guilt, but are willing to use it as evidence against ATPG? Either you think he is incapable doing what you say everyone else can (change their style as they see fit), or just trying to heap poor accusation on top of him.

And do remember I am innocent looking in, not mafia scum trying to save my partner, so watch the hypocrisy, kay

Of course I use different standards YLC, so what. You appeal to different people according to different methods. I don't care about making an epistemically correct case (as far as I am concerned that is impossible). I don't care to champion another method (I only criticize other methods when they go against my point of view).

Call it hypocrisy or double standards, I call it "what is right for one is not right for another"

I have a goal, I will use every avenue to reach it, every way of appealing to the town, to hell with consistency!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote:LittleGrizzly

Will complete my reread before voting closes. But with pizza certain as mafia, I don't believe his play today accusing boudica is something he would do. I go back once more to his "I just don't buy grizzly as mafia, sasaki, I'll vote him tomorrow" when I presented my case on grizz.

Since you're Oswald, I wasn't going to listen to your "case" on Grizzly.

Boudica is your Godfather.

[Reenk Roink]

Atpg has given up. Kill him!

edit: please post the tally

[Askthepizzaguy]

As long as you take out the entire english mafia, I offer you my head, a third time.

courteously.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seconded on a tally call. I should be studying right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will get you your tally, courteously.

Bring me Sasaki's head.

[ULC]

Of course I use different standards YLC, so what. You appeal to different people according to different methods. I don't care about making an epistemically correct case (as far as I am concerned that is impossible). I don't care to champion another method (I only criticize other methods when they go against my point of view).

Call it hypocrisy or double standards, I call it "what is right for one is not right for another"

I have a goal, I will use every avenue to reach it, every way of appealing to the town, to hell with consistency!

Then that is bad play IMO, I am or at least try to always be consistent in which I "appeal" to the town. At most, I will hold a double opinion, but that is only so I can realize how I may be wrong/right.

Sorry for being principaled, that is how I feel and it's my own burden and sorrow to carry I suppose.

[Reenk Roink]

Then that is bad play IMO, I am or at least try to always be consistent in which I "appeal" to the town. At most, I will hold a double opinion, but that is only so I can realize how I may be wrong/right.

Sorry for being principaled, that is how I feel and it's my own burden and sorrow to carry I suppose.

In my view consistency is too hard to achieve, makes you an easy target for both the town and the Mafia, and gets boring.

Embrace the chaos of inconsistency! To me, it is the only thing keeping the game fresh. I'm sick of my current model of playing though, will be changing it shortly.

[TinCow]

This game is not confusing enough. As I was the impartial Mastermind chosen to select the distribution of all roles and therefore know everyone's identity, I shall provide you all with a clue that shall reveal the truth to those who seek it.

The black marmot covets the bipedal robot, but only in winter.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki: 2 (LG, Boudica)
LittleGrizzly 2 (GH, Sasaki)
Boudica: 2 (Shinsei, Askthepizzaguy)

Diana up or down vote:

Life: 1 (boudica, LG, GH, Pizza, Sasaki)
Death: 1 (Shinseikhaan)

Townies, you have a chance to take out two mafioso today. Get rid of Sasaki and Boudica. You can get rid of both by lynching Boudica.

rechecking tally, can I get an independent recheck, please?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki is absolutely, unquestionably, Oswald. You must at least lynch him.

[ULC]

In my view consistency is too hard to achieve, makes you an easy target for both the town and the Mafia, and gets boring.

Embrace the chaos of inconsistency! To me, it is the only thing keeping the game fresh. I'm sick of my current model of playing though, will be changing it shortly.

It's not the model Reenk, it's the principal. I simply cannot change my style - I am sure you have noted that. Look at any game I do, the closest I came to inconsistency was in WotN

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm going to reread Diana. Don't think she's the english godfather because that wouldn't work out with atpg etc. But if she got chosen as godfather she'd be sure to pick pizza as a grunt, and thinking about it I'm not sure LG or boudica would.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Town is so going to win this game, and with my help too.

Sasaki has no defense! He's just trying to find the Irish Godfather! HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!


Watch him squirm!!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

I can interrogate him if you would like

Diana: I know this was a joke, but could you please follow up with this?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza is a WAY to cheerful.

He should not be happy with LG being one of the main contenders for lynch.

Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
El Diablo

9 alive. A tie is unlikely to happen. I believe that our godfathers can be found among three people, diana, LG, and boudica. That means, if we lynch one of them and choose death for diana, or odds go way up.

If we lynch a godfather today, then we will have six alive tomorrow--2 mafia out of 6, if we lynch a townie we lose. Killing diana would drop that to 2/5, better odds, one less suspect.

It also gives us the chance to kill both godfathers today.

unlife:diana
Death:Diana

She's a lurker, votes with pizza guy all the time anyway (and he's given up denying he's mafia), she's perhaps the only person who would choose him as a grunt, and killing her can only help our odds.