The Settlement [Concluded]

[Reenk Roink]

hmm, I'd say go with the no lynch option then (just don't vote anybody). Can't do any harm now, can it?

In the case that nobody votes, again, it will be wholly up to the priest king Reenk Roink.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Murder appears to be a thing of the past. We shall soon see if this continues for another night.

Why don't we get the dead townies* such as Tincow, Pizza and GH to each pick 1 survivor and THOROUGHLY try to write a "lynch this one" case on them. We let all 7 cases get posted early in the next day phase and then each of us 7 tries to shoot down our own case. Should let everyone see who's stuff rings true and which one seems a hint "off."

With potential conversions and/or other role adjustments, simple investigation cannot be presumed to be correct of itself and should form no more than part of the assessment.

Seem like a good system?



*While Sasaki, Andres, and Arach would be excellent authors for such a thing, their motives in this game may not make them a good choice here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm afraid I cannot do that... I'm busy eating those who have been killed.

*num num num*

I suggest we do things the only way that works: pick someone randomly at kill them!

[TinCow]

A thorough analysis of someone's behavior is greatly complicated by the possibility that the current mafioso was converted after the game started. Lord Winter is pretty much the only person left uninvestigated who could have started out as a usurper. He's the obvious person for Yoyoma to investigate tonight, so I'd like to wait and see the results on that before I get myself completely focused on the conversion idea. I've been straddling the two for a while now and it would be nice to be able to cross one off and move on to the other. In addition, if Yoyoma chooses to investigate someone other than LW, that will be interesting information in and of itself.

Also, I've got to do dinner at the in-laws tonight, and don't have time to do a thorough re-read in the next 24 hours.

[Yoyoma1910]

If you're going to lynch me, do me a favor and do it next turn.


thx.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I tend to think we can wait one more round on Yoyoma, to see Lord Winter.

[Andres]

I'm so nervous right now

How will I look after my resurrection? Better than before, probably. And if not, I have plenty of money to do some plastic surgery.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm so nervous right now

How will I look after my resurrection? Better than before, probably. And if not, I have plenty of money to do some plastic surgery.

I know of a good surgeon...you just have to drink some special koolade, and Kefy will fix you up for free!

[Andres]

I know of a good surgeon...you just have to drink some special koolade, and Kefy will fix you up for free!

Trying to take advantage of an honest and respected dead man? I won't fall for your tricks and lies!

Charlatan!

[LittleGrizzly]

honest and respected dead man?

Where? Is he standing behind you and Sasaki?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

honest and respected dead man?

Where? Is he standing behind you and Sasaki?

People don't respect corpses who have had their heads chopped off. Well known fact.

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And uh...the kind they most respect is the corpses that have been turned into fish, then stabbed, then eaten.

[boudica]

People don't respect corpses who have had their heads chopped off. Well known fact.

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And uh...the kind they most respect is the corpses that have been turned into fish, then stabbed, then eaten.

[Yoyoma1910]

I want to see if I've gotten this straight.


I'm being accused by the man who caused my first conversion by sharing my identity with the converter of possibly being converted again, and trying to sway the vote of the town because I'm posting my actual findings as opposed to random speculations on a seemingly constant changing rule system.

[CountArach]

People don't respect corpses who have had their heads chopped off. Well known fact.

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And uh...the kind they most respect is the corpses that have been turned into fish, then stabbed, then eaten.

Why is my stomach growling?

[Jolt]

Why is my stomach growling?

Because you're dead, and its the stomach ejecting the food.

[TinCow]

I want to see if I've gotten this straight.


I'm being accused by the man who caused my first conversion by sharing my identity with the converter of possibly being converted again, and trying to sway the vote of the town because I'm posting my actual findings as opposed to random speculations on a seemingly constant changing rule system.

I caused your conversion? You've got to be kidding me. The only person I was every loyal to was myself. I didn't ever fully trust either you or CA. It didn't make one bit of difference to me whether you two knew who each other were because the only person I knew for sure was actually pro-town was me and I couldn't do anything about either of you. Both you and CA told me exactly who I was without prompting, which cornered me and gave me almost no room to operate. It's not my fault you got converted by CA when I had no way of knowing he had that power. From my perspective, the only way I was prepared to trust either of you was if you each investigated each other, then I could play the two of you off against each other as a hedge against one of you betraying me. If I had known that bringing you two together would result in you uniting against me, I certainly would not have done it. Considering you then happily allowed me to get killed off, you'll forgive me for not totally trusting you. At this point, the only person in our 'group' that I consider fully credible is LG. If you want to prove your loyalty to the town, then work hard for a town victory.

[Yoyoma1910]

Well then you should have been the one investigating him, not I.

Yes, we do indeed have similar mind sets. I am exceptionally wary of townie groups, but given the massive amount of investigating power we potentially have at our fingertips, I don't think this is a situation we can pass up. So, if we're going to do this, I agree that we need to be sure about each other beforehand.

I think you definitely need to investigate Pisuf, not LG or I. My reasoning is that he has already committed a murder, and I wouldn't want there to be some chance of a fuzzy pseudo-guilty result coming back as a result of that. You can see exactly who he is, regardless of what he has done. Perhaps we should in turn have Pisuf investigate you as well, that way the two of you (who are the most powerful) would have full info on each other. I could then investigate LG, and LG could simply stay out of it and we could bring him in afterwards if he proves to be innocent.

Whatever we do, I think it is important that we don't spend more than one night investigating each other, so we'd better get it organized properly so that we can all trust the results. Thoughts?

Here's my thought in the matter:

Little Griz has already confirmed you and I to each other. It would be good if you could confirm him this round, to make sure he's not a mafia investigator trying to piggy back. If he's settler, then we the three of us are each double confirmed.

Pisuf needs a confirmation back. If you investigated him, I'm willing to support it. There's always the possibility, however, that he would want to take out another god's oracle. That may be his goal in this. That makes me a little wary. Perhaps then it would be better if there was some buffer.

It would be good if we can focus all of the investigations that we can towards sweeping the populace as quickly and thoroughly as possible. But we also need to double check and see if anyone amongst us 4 are possible a mole or have ulterior motives.

[Reenk Roink]

The sun rose once again and the settlers once again converged at the gathering hall. For a while, they were a bit worried as the Shinsei named Khaan was not present, but he was found inebriated, writhing in a pool of vomit and urine composing while dirty limericks. So the discussions began...

Challenge List:


Alive:

Shinseikhaan
Lord Winter
Psychonaut
boudica
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh

Executed:

777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
Andres
TinCow
Jolt
CountArach
Sigurd
Tristan de Castelreng

Fallen in battle:

taka
Captain Blackadder
White_eyes:D

Killed:

TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187
shlin28
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
LittleGrizzly

Day ends Friday, April 3 at 22:00 Eastern

[Yoyoma1910]

Lord Winter is only just a farmer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think it's hilarious just how utterly, utterly useless the masons were in a game with so many investigators. Hopefully, lynching me allowed you guys to get the work done.

See? Being willing to die for town can be a good thing.

[boudica]

Lord Winter is only just a farmer.

Without wishing to appear pedantic (I know you'll appreciate it ;P) Can you restructure that statement to make Lord Winter seem less suspicious

I think it's hilarious just how utterly, utterly useless the masons were in a game with so many investigators. Hopefully, lynching me allowed you guys to get the work done.

See? Being willing to die for town can be a good thing.

I think we are still waiting to see how 'helpful' that actually was ATPG

The remaining suspects:

Shinseikhaan - a hungover inscrutable poet
Lord Winter - only just a farmer? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt
Psychonaut - still doing what he does best with his complimentary pomaigne
boudica - me
Ichigo - not absent (good to see you back on the thread Ichigo - have you had a chance to read any of it?)
Yoyoma1910 - Excellent detective work - and the exchange posted with TinCow doesn't make me any more suspicious of him - just a shame we seem to have run into a brick wall investigation wise...
Seamus Fermanagh Still shearing sheep I assume while waiting to pick up his Tax rebate

Given an apparent innocent report by Yoyoma on Lord Winter, I have less of an idea about how to proceed than I did yesterday. All the undead settlers posting seem to have had some other agenda and they are the only people calling for lynches form what I can make out. I'll be interested to see if 'Khaan is as keen to vote for our detective again today but I feel we should leave this in our Priest-Kings hands, and hopefully he's found a way of deciding the matter without Psychonaut slowly killing all of us by alcoholic poisoning

vote: abstain

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think we are still waiting to see how 'helpful' that actually was ATPG

If you're talking theory, I'll take that challenge!

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What would have been a better lynch? I had almost no duel ability, and I had no special abilities whatsoever, beyond knowing that Seamus could be innocent, and with recruitment, that is impossible to know anyway. The only better lynch would have been a usurper or other anti-townie. And by lynching me, it was possible to find such people without wasting a useful townie's life. With certainty, no good useful role was wasted, and I removed myself as a suspect, so I wouldn't be a tempting target in later rounds instead of a guilty party. The only better move, would be that totally random lynch of a baddie, which given the odds at the time, would be pretty farfetched. Possibly hitting an innocent useful townie versus the less likely chance of hitting an anti-town player... or absolutely making sure that all pro-townie roles get their chance to work their magic to find the usurpers? I choose the safer option, and apparently, I wasn't the only one who thought it was a good idea, as I ended up deader than a box full of decapitated squirrels.

It's a matter of townie theory, and I think I'm on solid ground here. It becomes less and less effective or useful in later rounds, and I will never offer myself up for a lynch past the midpoint of a game, because that's when it becomes very damaging and less helpful.

Of course, that's all theoretical... technically, there was a chance to kill a usurper, and random chance may have allowed that to happen, so it's not absolutely the best move. But it was perhaps the odds-favored move, safest for town.

Plus if I were mafia you kill me anyway. Because I'd "never" offer myself up for the lynch, several times, as a mafioso.

[Andres]

If you're talking theory, I'll take that challenge!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

What would have been a better lynch? I had almost no duel ability, and I had no special abilities whatsoever, beyond knowing that Seamus could be innocent, and with recruitment, that is impossible to know anyway. The only better lynch would have been a usurper or other anti-townie. And by lynching me, it was possible to find such people without wasting a useful townie's life. With certainty, no good useful role was wasted, and I removed myself as a suspect, so I wouldn't be a tempting target in later rounds instead of a guilty party. The only better move, would be that totally random lynch of a baddie, which given the odds at the time, would be pretty farfetched. Possibly hitting an innocent useful townie versus the less likely chance of hitting an anti-town player... or absolutely making sure that all pro-townie roles get their chance to work their magic to find the usurpers? I choose the safer option, and apparently, I wasn't the only one who thought it was a good idea, as I ended up deader than a box full of decapitated squirrels.

It's a matter of townie theory, and I think I'm on solid ground here. It becomes less and less effective or useful in later rounds, and I will never offer myself up for a lynch past the midpoint of a game, because that's when it becomes very damaging and less helpful.

Of course, that's all theoretical... technically, there was a chance to kill a usurper, and random chance may have allowed that to happen, so it's not absolutely the best move. But it was perhaps the odds-favored move, safest for town.

Plus if I were mafia you kill me anyway. Because I'd "never" offer myself up for the lynch, several times, as a mafioso.

I disagree.


Victory condition in all mafia games : your team must outnumber the other team.

Dead of player X reduces the numbers of his team with 1.

Ergo: dead of player X does not help his team to obtain victory.

***

Anyway, back to the game at hand: I think Yoyoma1910 is innocent. He has been cooperative with town all game long and has offered you guys more than one good lynch target on a silver plate during this game. It simply wouldn't make sense for him to be one of the bad guys.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd think that lynching a detective would qualify as being worse. In a game with many pro-town roles, a certain non-role lynch versus a very likely pro-town role lynch makes for a safer and less simplistic path forward. But that is why it is theory; it doesn't work in all cases, and there is room for debate.

But I agree, back to the topic at hand.

[Csargo]

Ichigo - not absent (good to see you back on the thread Ichigo - have you had a chance to read any of it?)

I've made it to the end of the first day phase, which means I've basically accomplished nothing at all. Sad Ichi is sad

[naut]

Well I'm stumped.

[_Tristan_]

Well I'm stumped.

... and I'm dead thanks to your cursed beverage (and random.org... )

[LittleGrizzly]

Out of interest has Ichigo been investigated ??

The only theory i have is that maybe he made seamus will hidden scum with his name in pizzas role like he did with TC and (some guy) in midgaard saga II

Edit: well hiden as in investigator can't detect him... even with a god giving him the information...

[Andres]

Out of interest has Ichigo been investigated ??

Yeah, Ichigo was Iffo's servant or so. Apparently, he doesn't have the ability to kill, only to recruit for the Vode-Iffo alliance. Nothing to worry about.

Psychonaut, boudica and pevergreen are better lynch candidates.

[LittleGrizzly]

Apparently, he doesn't have the ability to kill, only to recruit for the Vode-Iffo alliance. Nothing to worry about.

Ohh well thats reassuring... glad we have our friendly nieghbourhood serial killer to help guide us on these kind of things