Find me a home (now focusing on biblical Israel & the talmud)

**LittleGrizzly** · 04-03-2009, 11:45

I think something alot of people don't realise is half the reason muslims could become a large group perhaps even the largest some point in the distant future is in part because the dilution of christians to atheism, consider also that alot of these muslims that do come to europe are fairly liberal and your realise that there is nothing at all to worry about...

**Fixiwee** · 04-03-2009, 15:22

Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

I think something alot of people don't realise is half the reason muslims could become a large group perhaps even the largest some point in the distant future is in part because the dilution of christians to atheism.

Uhm sorry what?
European atheists don't even make 10%
They are to blame for making more space for muslims so one day they will be a majority?
There is no connection between growing immigration of muslim population and a secular society.

**Yoyoma1910** · 04-03-2009, 15:41

eh... never mind.

**HoreTore** · 04-03-2009, 16:06

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

Uhm sorry what?
European atheists don't even make 10%
They are to blame for making more space for muslims so one day they will be a majority?
There is no connection between growing immigration of muslim population and a secular society.

Don't even make 10%? What are you on? Or are you confusing "christians" with "people registered with a church"? Like the situation is here, 80% of us are registered in the state church(due to laziness, membership scams, etc), however, every survey made in the last two decades or more have shown the percentage of people who call themselves christians to be somewhere around 20-30%. The same number I've seen in a lot of other european countries, like England.

**Fixiwee** · 04-03-2009, 16:14

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Don't even make 10%? What are you on? Or are you confusing "christians" with "people registered with a church"? Like the situation is here, 80% of us are registered in the state church(due to laziness, membership scams, etc), however, every survey made in the last two decades or more have shown the percentage of people who call themselves christians to be somewhere around 20-30%. The same number I've seen in a lot of other european countries, like England.

Okay I might be wrong.

But post a link as a prove please.
Because as far as I recall many people are Agnostic and not pure Atheists and there is a clear difference. I find it hard to belive that more then 10% are real Atheists in any of the european countries.

**HoreTore** · 04-03-2009, 16:20

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

Okay I might be wrong.

But post a link as a prove please.
Because as far as I recall many people are Agnostic and not pure Atheists and there is a clear difference. I find it hard to belive that more then 10% are real Atheists in any of the european countries.

Whatever. The point was not religious, more specifically, not christian. There is a clear difference between agnosticism and atheism, but there's a clear difference between being agnostic or atheist and being religious too.

And I don't have any linkys, sorry, I read my news the proper way; from a newspaper. None of this newfangled "interwebs" nonsense for me!

**Fixiwee** · 04-03-2009, 16:40

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Whatever. The point was not religious, more specifically, not christian. There is a clear difference between agnosticism and atheism, but there's a clear difference between being agnostic or atheist and being religious too.

Okay. But the argument was that this state of religiousness is enabling the growth of muslim minorities.
And I don't see a connection here.

And I don't have any linkys, sorry, I read my news the proper way; from a newspaper. None of this newfangled "interwebs" nonsense for me!

Well then I simply wont belive you, my good sir.

**HoreTore** · 04-03-2009, 16:46

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

Okay. But the argument was that this state of religiousness is enabling the growth of muslim minorities.

I wouldn't worry about that. Forget all the whining, there are still no more than 80.000 muslims in this country(pop:4,8 mill). I think it'll be quite some time before they're running the show....

The real problem, is that when people hear "immigrant", they immediately think "muslim". Even worse when it's "non-western immigrant". Of course forgetting the fact that christian eastern europe(including Russia), communist china and other eastern asian states, hindu india, christian south america and largely christian africa are all included in the term "non-western"...

**LittleGrizzly** · 04-03-2009, 16:51

Sorry what I meant was the drift from christianity to atheism (or agnostic) means that in comparison to the major religious group (christianity) muslim grows quickly... quicker than the influx of muslim immigrants and birth of muslim children

And this drift from christianity is likely to continue... meaning predictions of muslims being the major group aren't all that meaningful when you consider that the christian group combined with atheists and agnostics shall still be larger..

Unless your afriad of atheists and agnosts as well as muslims..

Personally i don't see the threat, sure a portion of them have some unfavourable views but they are a minority among thier own in our countrys as well as thier own being a minority this makes them pretty unthreatening...

Also the whole british sharia law thing is overblown, they only use iot if both parties agree and then it still has to fall within british law perfectly reasonable... and im fairly sure its something we have done for other faiths also..