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    See Abraham and Issac and then get back to me about human sacrifice. Anyway, your reducito ad absurdium has shaky legs; even atheists know enough not to engage in abhorrent practices. You don't need the Divine to not be a complete monster. Basic moral principles are a priori.
    Unless my memory is horribly flawed, God stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaas- so I don't see where "see"ing that will change my view. Where atheists draw their moral direction from is totally irrelevant to my point, which I will re-state: All religions claim to know the will of God to varying degrees. The point of my example was to state that most all organized religions, in general, all maintain that having a basic level of civility towards fellow man is the will of God and I don't think anyone would call that finding hubris. Christianity in general, and Catholicism in specific (again, the viewpoint that I think TSM is coming from) come to an understanding on the will of God from many sources- the bible is certainly one of them, but not the only one. Based on thousands of years of Catholic teaching, I don't think it's overly presumption for a believing Catholic to state that God does not approve of homosexual unions.
    Asserting something doesn't make it so. Declaring something to be a "strawman" without deigning to back up the claim is poor manners.
    I'm not sure what you want me to back up. You put forward the "Leviticus" argument, which no one here made, and then proceeded to knock it down. You don't get much more strawman than that- I think it was pretty obvious to everyone. As to "poor manners" I think it's making the strawman and putting words in someone's mouth that's poor manners- not pointing it out.

    Anyway, to bring this back to the hummasexual mafia and the destruction of America, every pastor I've ever heard denounce teh gayzorz has done so based on three sentences in Leviticus. Catholics have their own hierarchy and special rules which I am not going to make any attempt to summarize.
    Just because you've never heard or bothered to look for any other arguments doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm not a bible scholar, nor do I want to carry on a biblical debate- as I've said, my religion's beliefs have more to them than just the bible -, but I'll throw you the most common New Testatment reference I've heard just to prove my point that not all biblical arguments are based on Leviticus: Romans, 1
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    Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
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    and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
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    And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.
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    They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips
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    and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.
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