Gun Control: I Told You So (Nanny-Nanny Boo-Boo)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Good Lord (He is risen, alleluia!)!

I read this simple little "you guys were so over the top about gun control, see!" thread before I go to bed, get home from church and a bit of breakfast, and you've all decided to leap off of cliffs. Epic indeed.

[Vuk]

Good Lord (He is risen, alleluia!)!

I read this simple little "you guys were so over the top about gun control, see!" thread before I go to bed, get home from church and a bit of breakfast, and you've all decided to leap off of cliffs. Epic indeed.

Hey, at least we kept it clean and quasi-polite. ~:P
I was gonna add more, but I will not. I leave for Serbia tomorrow and I have had enough of debates. :P
And so I bow out.

[Strike For The South]

ummm...wow Strike. Did you even read what I said? I never said that people should oppose politicians they do not like with firearms, I said that the fact that the citizenry is armed is a detterent to anyone who would use the power of the government to exploit the people. When I do not like a politician (as I do not like Obama), I make phone calls, I vote against them, and then I try to raise awareness afterwards. I don't shoot people cause I don't like them Strike, and I would love to see which part of my post could make you think that.


EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I don't think you should try to use one to enlarge your . It may end up doing the exact opposite.

You contradicted yourself in one sentence. Nice.

Armed citizenry IS one of those checks and balances

I'll overlook the fact that an armed citizen is not one of the checks and balances. Those would be the three branches of government. One of which is the ballot box. (legislature but in a republic that's what we get)

That's all I responded to. I never said you were going to shoot anyone or any of that. [potentiall offensive sentence deleted. SF] The man has been in office 3 months? That's not enough time to set up a socialist paradise if he wanted to.

Also, let's say Obama is the anti-christ social leader who is going to kill all our beautiful white blue eyed children. If that's what the American people want why can't we have it?

[lars573]

lol, it is impossible for the government to take complete control of the country as long as its citizens are armed and resisting. Esp since we have a citizen military, and the only troops and resources available to the government would be those of other highly motivated people with the same goals. If the citizenry isn't armed though, it would be very possible for the government to take control of the country.
Sure, it isn't the 18th century...neither was 1938. The need for a people to be armed to ensure their own freedom has not changed through history.

*cough*Iraq*cough*

[HoreTore]

So....

When is the abortion-thread coming?

[InsaneApache]

I think it's gay single parents turn, I'm sure it is.

[Pannonian]

It's been a while since the last creationism thread.

[InsaneApache]

Perhaps a gay single parent creationist who has an abortion might be in order then.

[Vuk]

You contradicted yourself in one sentence. Nice.



I'll overlook the fact that an armed citizen is not one of the checks and balances. Those would be the three branches of government. One of which is the ballot box. (legislature but in a republic that's what we get)

That's all I responded to. I never said you were going to shoot anyone or any of that. I'm just pointing out that your constant tin foil hat theories hold no merit what so ever. The man has been in office 3 months? That's not enough time to set up a socialist paradise if he wanted to.

Also, let's say Obama is the anti-christ social leader who is going to kill all our beautiful white blue eyed children. If that's what the American people want why can't we have it?

You are maliciously putting words in my mouth now Strike. I said that citizens having firearms was a part of checks and balances because it acts as a deterrant to government oppression. I never said anything about any politicians, or using guns to keep politicians in line.
What does "The man" (and by "The man" I take it you mean Obama) being in office for 3 months have to do with anything? When did I say anything about setting up a socialist paradise? When did I say anything about him being evil or having bad intentions? I know I certainly did not say the racism you falsely accused me of saying. I simply said that the course of action he is taken will only weaken our 2nd amendment right, as it has done to everyone else who instituted gun registration.

I am not going to be cynical and call you a blatant and malicious liar, so I will instead advise you to sober up and read my posts again before falsely accusing me.

[Strike For The South]

You are maliciously putting words in my mouth now Strike. I said that citizens having firearms was a part of checks and balances because it acts as a deterrant to government oppression. I never said anything about any politicians, or using guns to keep politicians in line.

Ok but it's not part of the checks and balances. Guns have no place in the way we govern. The government is made up of politicians and the guns are used to keep the peace (as you said) how is that not keeping them in line?

What does "The man" (and by "The man" I take it you mean Obama) being in office for 3 months have to do with anything? When did I say anything about setting up a socialist paradise? When did I say anything about him being evil or having bad intentions? I know I certainly did not say the racism you falsely accused me of saying. I simply said that the course of action he is taken will only weaken our 2nd amendment right, as it has done to everyone else who instituted gun registration.

You compared him to Freaking Hitler. How is that not evil or bad intentions? How in Gods name is that not meant to scare people and then you said Hitler was actually a "slimeball socialist" That's pretty evil and bad intentions to me. Much more than putting restrictions on gun control sweetheart.

I know I certainly did not say the racism you falsely accused me of saying.

hy⋅per⋅bo⋅le   [hahy-pur-buh-lee] Show IPA
–noun Rhetoric.
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

I am not going to be cynical and call you a blatant and malicious liar, so I will instead advise you to sober up and read my posts again before falsely accusing me.

Sober up? Please If I was drunk I would make Tribesman look like an altar boy. You really are the king of "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" Aern't you?

[Rhyfelwyr]

Personally, I think Obama is more like Pol Pot since he hates US soldiers and will give them crappy weapons like bamboo sticks.

[InsaneApache]

Personally, I think Obama is more like Pol Pot since he hates US soldiers and will give them crappy weapons like bamboo sticks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w

[Louis VI the Fat]

It's been a while since the last creationism thread.

Fact: US states with the highest gun ownership have best managed to keep commies, terrorists, gays and their wicked creationism out.

Take that, ye limey socialist.

[Vuk]

Ok but it's not part of the checks and balances. Guns have no place in the way we govern. The government is made up of politicians and the guns are used to keep the peace (as you said) how is that not keeping them in line?

Not as a direct thing directed at any politician, but as a safeguard to ward away people with the wrong ambitions, and a last resort if the government is completely taken over. I believe that earns it a spot in check and balances. It makes sure the government cannot grow to powerful, and therefor puts a 'check' on it.

You compared him to Freaking Hitler. How is that not evil or bad intentions? How in Gods name is that not meant to scare people and then you said Hitler was actually a "slimeball socialist" That's pretty evil and bad intentions to me. Much more than putting restrictions on gun control sweetheart.

I was not saying (and honestly do not believe) that Obama plans to do what Hitler did after he puts gun control into effect, but I DO believe that for different reasons he plans to institute gun control. I used hitler as one of several historical examples to show what can happen when citizens cannot defend themselves. I believe the former Yugoslavia is another great one. That does not mean that I think Obama is Tudjman or Stalin, or Hitler. I said that Hitler was a socialist because people always tell me that Hitler was a conservative, and HE WAS NOT! It me off. They say this is an example of why conservatism is dangerous, when it isn't. It was an entirely different thought, which I acknowledged, and is why I set it off.


hy⋅per⋅bo⋅le   [hahy-pur-buh-lee] Show IPA
–noun Rhetoric.
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

An exagerration of my intent? So what was my intent? Quasi racism? Half racism? Sorry, I do not buy it. What you were doing is equating legal gun ownership, conservatism, and racism in a very malicious fashion.


Sober up? Please If I was drunk I would make Tribesman look like an altar boy. You really are the king of "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" Aern't you?
If the shoe fits... No offense Strike, but you said what you said and left little reason to believe it was anything but a malicious attack. The only other possible explanation I could think of was that you had too much to drink.

Vuk

[Rhyfelwyr]

Haha you Yankie fools, all this time we've lead you to believe that Obama is a neo-Nazi Stalinist Muslim, but that was all nothing more than an elaborate diversion. Obama is in fact British, and he's out to make the US people become subjects of Her Majesty once again. Why do you think he bowed to the Saudi royals? It is because he is a monarchist, upholding kings and queens around the globe.

As well as his aunt being an illegal immigrant, it turns out his brother is a sex offender. Hopefully this will not seriously damage relations between the Houses of Windsor and Obama, we will wait and see...

[Vuk]

Haha you Yankie fools, all this time we've lead you to believe that Obama is a neo-Nazi Stalinist Muslim, but that was all nothing more than an elaborate diversion. Obama is in fact British, and he's out to make the US people become subjects of Her Majesty once again. Why do you think he bowed to the Saudi royals? It is because he is a monarchist, upholding kings and queens around the globe.

As well as his aunt being an illegal immigrant, it turns out his brother is a sex offender. Hopefully this will not seriously damage relations between the Houses of Windsor and Obama, we will wait and see...

Thank you for the constructive and on-topic post Rhyfelwyr. Your post's avoidance of facts, lack of substance, misinterpretations, generalizations, and off-topicness makes it a sure candidate for post of the month I am sure.

EDIT: no offense Rhyfelwyr, but I am trying to have a serious discussion, and people keep putting words in my mouth, making generalizations, and blowing off any point I make with a sarcastic comment...then going back and saying that I said things I did not say all over again. It is annoying... I need a break, I am gonna go to bed now. I am going out to Serbia tomorrow, and will not be back for a week, so don't give me too much to have to wade through. :P

[rory_20_uk]

Possibly tongue in cheek?

[Vuk]

Possibly tongue in cheek?

I realise that he was only joking, but

believe that Obama is a neo-Nazi Stalinist Muslim

is the exact same crap that I have been getting all this time. :P Sorry, but my sense of humor is just not what it usually is. :P I will enjoy my holiday off I think. :P

Night all

[Rhyfelwyr]

Apologies Vuk, I did not mean to offend you personally. It was not so much aimed at your own posts, but rather making a light hearted joke about the stereotype generalisations people make. You've probably seen me around enough in the Backroom to know I'm often in a similar situation to the one you are in right now. It's just with so many OT posts, I thought this thread had lost its seriousness.

[seireikhaan]

Step #1 Lemur - Registration. That is just what the socialist Hitler (who supported abortion, didn't want animal products used, and was a gun control advocate BTW. Not that that relates, but everyone likes to call the socialist slimeball 'rightwing', it is funny that he is leftwing on almost all social issues) did before the Holocaust. No one will register their guns if they think it is the first step to losing them, so you lie to them and tell them that it is just to keep children safer and they are in no danger of losing them. If you want to effectively disarm people, you will need to have the guns registered first so you know who has what. I am not saying that Obama is Hitler II necessarily, but simply that he IS following in his footsteps in WAY too many ways. If the Jews did not need to get permits for their guns, they would not have been able to disarm the Jews. If they had not disarmed the Jews, there could not have been a Holocaust.

I see. You're not saying he's Hitler II "per se", just that he's following in his footsteps. TOOOOOTALY different, right?

[Rhyfelwyr]

believe that Obama is a neo-Nazi Stalinist Muslim

I realise that he was only joking, but is the exact same crap that I have been getting all this time. :P Sorry, but my sense of humor is just not what it usually is. :P I will enjoy my holiday off I think. :P

Night all

To be fair, you did raise Hitler and Stalin before anyone else did, that's 2 out of 3 for the stereotypes.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Can someone direct me to the group that thinks Americans should keep guns yet doesn't allude to Hitler and Stalin when talking about Obama?

[KukriKhan]

Can someone direct me to the group that thinks Americans should keep guns yet doesn't allude to Hitler and Stalin when talking about Obama?

The Heckler & Koch Lovers 12-step Support Group meets in Room 221 at 1700. If you hurry, you'll catch the opening speaker. :)

[a completely inoffensive name]

The Heckler & Koch Lovers 12-step Support Group meets in Room 221 at 1700. If you hurry, you'll catch the opening speaker. :)

Lovers? I don't even want to know they do with their guns.....

[Hosakawa Tito]

Jack-boots are optional...

[Fixiwee]

I used hitler as one of several historical examples to show what can happen when citizens cannot defend themselves.

Are you trying to say that Hitler would not have come to power if the Germans had guns?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Jack-boots are optional...

This turns me off even more...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

And I shall turn off this thread.

Spam and hopeless sniping with the addition of only one redeeming Monty Python linkee.

I'll decide if I need to toss out infractions later, but stick a fork in this one, it's done.