Find me a home (now focusing on biblical Israel & the talmud)

[Fragony]

but Islam is trapped to it's millenia centuries old ways. Or so some people claim.

You think it isn't? Let's just take it at face value and compare society's, backward is too agressive a word for the islamic world as a whole but archaic it certainly is.

[Hax]

I cannot speak for Judaism, though I am sure hooahguy can make an admirable case in its defence. However, Christianity does get a relatively large amount of leeway on the subject. Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla made an excellent post on the subject. Islam, on the other hand, seems to get relatively little - I am still trying to find the excellent talk made by Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the subject. She mentions it in passing at 4:04, though not in depth.

Don't be ridiculous, please. How would you know this? Do you know any Muslims in the west? I spoke with my father (who is Islamic, yes) about praying, and he said that it is more a form of meditation than real prayer, and he acknowledged that there are always irrelevant things. Also know that some Arabic words are difficult to translate into the Germanic and Roman languages, and as thus some parts from the Qu'ran could be mistranslated. The best way to read it is to learn Arabic and then read the Qu'ran in Arabic.

Islam is different from Judaism and Christianity due to the fact that its origins are very clear. After Muhammed's death virtually everything he had said was recorded and written down in the series of stories we know as the Qu'ran. Judaism's history is very unclear as we cannot state when exactly the Old Testament was really made. Dates range between 3,000BC and 40BC. The new testament was finally recorded in Nicaea in 325AD (if I'm not mistaken). As such, Islam is the only monotheistic religion whose origins are fairly well known.

But seriously, Fragony, EMFM..have you ever been to an Islamic country?

Islam, on the other hand, seems to get relatively little

None of the Muslims I know have tried to kill me.

[Fragony]

Yes, been to Turkey and Marocco, guess what I have dated maroccan girls, and I have muslim friends nah they never believe that.

Islam is different from Judaism and Christianity due to the fact that its origins are very clear. After Muhammed's death virtually everything he had said was recorded and written down in the series of stories we know as the Hadith

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[Ironside]

um, no. we have long since thrown away the practice of yibum and selling children/ourselves for slavery.

Sorry, bad case of sarcasm not going through the internet. That you don't do it anymore is the whole point.
Why did (all?) Jews stop following that part of the Bible btw?

You think it isn't? Let's just take it at face value and compare society's, backward is too agressive a word for the islamic world as a whole but archaic it certainly is.

I'm mainly suspicious about the implying about Islam never being able to change, that the societies built on an islamic fundation are archaic in some ways I can agree on (interestingly it's often a relativly new movement that created the most archaic ways though).

Was thinking of millenium old, but missed the singular grammar.

Islam is different from Judaism and Christianity due to the fact that its origins are very clear. After Muhammed's death virtually everything he had said was recorded and written down in the series of stories we know as the Hadith

Still not something that goes against my thesis that there are considerble space for reforms inside Islam.

[Tribesman]

Still not something that goes against my thesis that there are considerble space for reforms inside Islam.

well the thing is that fundamentalism , which is the problem in all of the big three , is a reaction against the reforms which have taken place .

[Rhyfelwyr]

well the thing is that fundamentalism , which is the problem in all of the big three , is a reaction against the reforms which have taken place .

Hardly true for Christianity - fundamentalism was a result of the Reformation. Not necessarily man-walked-with-dinosaurs fundamentalism, but the Reformed theologians at Geneva termed themselves as 'Biblicists'.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'll get back to your righteous outrage in a moment Hax.

[Hooahguy]

I'm curious, why do Jews no longer offer sacrifice?

because we no longer had the Temple in Jerusalem. the concept of altars besides th eones in the Mishkan and the Beit Hamikdash was, and still is, looked down upon. if there is no holy temple for G-ds spirit to reside in, we clearly are not worthy of offering sacrifices. but our substitue is daily prayer, which we do 3 times a day, to replace the 3 daily sacrifices: at morning, afternoon, evening.

Why did (all?) Jews stop following that part of the Bible btw?

well, for one thing, society changed. what was then normal practice became a taboo. same goes for many of the practices. also, when the Jewish courts (called the Sanhedrin) no longer became the head of the judiciary system (especially around the times of the Romans), there was no way to do this, plus the hethens prevented us, trying to stamp out judasim.

Surely the sign of a just and merciful God.

if he wasnt a merciful god, he would have smote my people countless times, like after the sin of the golden calf, for example. if you want i can give many, many times in which G-d was about to smite all the Jews, but then decided not to.

just curious Hax, why did you bring up the 7 nations thing?