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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    I somewhat agree. But considering what those people were doing when not attacking soldiers, like enforcing the Taliban's laws, calling them terrorists isn't far off.
    Enforcing despotic laws is terrorism? I thought that was despotism... Isn't terrorism quite restricted to killing/scaring civilian populations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Enforcing despotic laws is terrorism? I thought that was despotism... Isn't terrorism quite restricted to killing/scaring civilian populations?
    I see the point you're making, and there's some truth in it. Two armed groups going at each other is difficult to classify as "terrorism." It might be what the U.S. military calls "asymmetrical warfare," though. The calling card of real terrorism is that the targets tend to be non-military, such as blowing up a vegetable market in Kirkuk.

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    So all this talk about "dying for your country" is all a scam?
    No, not a scam; soldiers who fall in the line of duty really have died for their country. But that's never the goal, you see. You want to make the other guy die for his, as Patton put it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    I see the point you're making, and there's some truth in it. Two armed groups going at each other is difficult to classify as "terrorism." It might be what the U.S. military calls "asymmetrical warfare," though. The calling card of real terrorism is that the targets tend to be non-military, such as blowing up a vegetable market in Kirkuk.
    In-deedeli-doodely. I mean, it's not too different from what the resistance movement did here during the war, the real difference is simply advances in warfare(excluding when targeting civilians, of course). Blowing up enemy soldiers, police stations, assassinating natives who work with occupiers, etc etc, it was all done here during the war, and I'm sorry, but I don't really feel like calling our resistance movement terrorists...
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    I thought you had to join the army to become a soldier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    I thought you had to join the army to become a soldier?
    So.... All guerillas are terrorists in your opinion? Why do we then have words like "resistance movement" and "guerillas"? Is it all part of the big liberal plot to make the church accept gays?
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    Oh dear a strawman.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    I agree, targeting soldiers is not terrorism.

    As for your thoughts on soldiering a certain Orwell quote comes to mind but I can't bring myself to be that cliche or elementary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Blowing up enemy soldiers, police stations, assassinating natives who work with occupiers, etc etc, it was all done here during the war, and I'm sorry, but I don't really feel like calling our resistance movement terrorists...
    Did they target civilians (say, by throwing acid at them)? The Taliban does things like that. Just because they killed some soldiers does not make them less of terrorists - they are still a terrorist group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    Did they target civilians (say, by throwing acid at them)? The Taliban does things like that. Just because they killed some soldiers does not make them less of terrorists - they are still a terrorist group.
    As we say here in norway; now's the time to separate snot from mustaches(yess, that's a saying). In the news, they've said that the soldier died in a terrorist attack. Not "killed by a terrorist". The attack itself was terrorism. And I can't see how that can be true, as this was an attack targeted specifically at foreign soldiers, it was not targeted at civilians, nor was it random in any way.
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    You're just arguing semantics.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    You're just arguing semantics.
    I'm annoyed, so yes.
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    HoreTore, here is the definition I found on Wiki:

    Terrorism is, most simply, policy intended to intimidate or cause terror. It is more commonly understood as an act which (1) is intended to create fear (terror), (2) is perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a materialistic goal or a lone attack), and (3) deliberately targets (or disregards the safety of) non-combatants.
    An attack by a combatant who is not part of the regular army attacking a force which is essentially trying to be a stabilizing force could be interpreted as 1 or 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    An attack by a combatant who is not part of the regular army attacking a force which is essentially trying to be a stabilizing force could be interpreted as 1 or 2.
    So.... The norwegian resistance movement were terrorists after all?
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    Default Re: How is it terrorism when they kill soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    HoreTore, here is the definition I found on Wiki:

    Terrorism is, most simply, policy intended to intimidate or cause terror. It is more commonly understood as an act which (1) is intended to create fear (terror), (2) is perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a materialistic goal or a lone attack), and (3) deliberately targets (or disregards the safety of) non-combatants.
    An attack by a combatant who is not part of the regular army attacking a force which is essentially trying to be a stabilizing force could be interpreted as 1 or 2.
    This definition has three necessary conditions, shown by the use of and just before number 3, instead of the word or. Being possibly interpreted as 1 or 2 is not enough; it must be demonstrated to be 1, 2, and 3 to count as terrorism by this definition. An attack aimed exclusively at soldiers, even if committed by a terrorist, is not in itself an act of terrorism. I agree with HoreTore: it was inaccurate and possibly deceptive use of language.

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