I don't think that it is even technically part of the Balkans.
I don't think that it is even technically part of the Balkans.
I get the feeling that you hate geography and demography, Horetore.![]()
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It's a good thing so many people care about Scandinavia... I spent entire day scratching my scrotum and thinking about it...
Just because you think you're better than anyone else and don't give a **** about Balkans, eastern Europe or whatever part of the world you don't deem civilized or worthy enough of being graced by your thoughts, it doesn't mean that people everywhere else are like that.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
HOW ABOUT 'DEM VIKINGS
-Martok
All I need to know
All of you just wish you were Americans. Granted all of you wish you were Frexans (French-Texas alliance) but we are a very selective bunch.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Depends... If you watch CNN, not a lot... If you try to see for yourself, who knows...
Just to clarify some things, geographical area known today as the Balkans have played a rather important role in European history. Do I need to mention Constantinople or Athens, should I compare them to whatever village there was in Scandinavia at the time? I don't want a pissing contest, just respect that there is 50+ million people at the Balkans and that trying to sum it up as nationalism and genocide is about the same as summing up German history as Nazism... I've traveled around Europe, I've been to a lot of countries, even ventured to North America and Asia and I've never met so biased and narrow minded people as Scandinavians (Swedes especially, actually). Does that give me the right to portray Swedes, Norwegians or Scandinavians in general as some nationalist bigots? I don't think so, but hey, maybe I shouldn't give a **** and do it, like HoreTore does...
Simple respect - even if you don't respect history and cultural heritage of the Balkans (to which there's much more than what you've seen on TV), at least respect that there's a lot of people living there and that they just want to live normal lives... Don't put yourself or your country on a pedestal. The air may not be so clean down here but at least you get more accurate grasp of the situation...
So, first things first, I don't watch CNN, thank you very much.
Who is denying this?Just to clarify some things, geographical area known today as the Balkans have played a rather important role in European history.
Should I mention Athens/Constantinople/Rome/Paris/London/Berlin/Munich/Stockholm/Moscow/Novi Sad to add to the pissing contest?Do I need to mention Constantinople or Athens, should I compare them to whatever village there was in Scandinavia at the time?
Apparently you do if you bring up Greek achievements.I don't want a pissing contest,
How many times has Germany killed 6 million Jews and 2 million other unfavorables compared to the number of times Slavic and Balkan ethnicities killed each other because they were born in the wrong village.just respect that there is 50+ million people at the Balkans and that trying to sum it up as nationalism and genocide is about the same as summing up German history as Nazism...
You claim you don't want a pissing contest, yet you continue with...a pissing contest.I've traveled around Europe, I've been to a lot of countries, even ventured to North America and Asia and I've never met so biased and narrow minded people as Scandinavians (Swedes especially, actually).
You must have met some pretty hardcore Swedes, as the one's I have met are liberal and open minded.
It does if you have proof that Scandinavians are somehow no better than the various groups that committed genocide and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.Does that give me the right to portray Swedes, Norwegians or Scandinavians in general as some nationalist bigots?
It's not that I don't respect the bloody history of the Balkans, but excuse me if I don't respect war crimes and ethnic violence that occurs so much due to the mix of Slavs, Austrians, Italians, Greeks and Muslims that inhabit it.Simple respect - even if you don't respect history and cultural heritage of the Balkans
How is this relevant? I gain my knowledge from facts of history.(to which there's much more than what you've seen on TV)
When have I ever said the contrary?at least respect that there's a lot of people living there and that they just want to live normal lives...
I don't see, other than petty nationalism, what is so bad about saying that the Balkans have been a hotspot of genocide, ethnic violence and warfare. Who assassinated Franz Ferdinand? Which group enacted race laws, burned down churches, and killed Serbs during the Second World War? Who killed the people at Lašva Valley? Who massacred those Bosniaks at Srebrenica?
This isn't a matter of respect or opinion, these are historical events that have happened.
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HOW ABOUT 'DEM VIKINGS
-Martok
You obviously misunderstood my intention. I wasn't trying to start a pissing contest, I was merely trying to point out that there's a lot more to the Balkans than the wars in the 90's and that there's nothing so grand about Scandinavia and Scandinavians that gives them the right to look down on people, in the Balkans or anywhere else.
It's especially distasteful when it's done by people from some powerful countries in the west, as precisely those countries, together with Russia, had their big, fat, greedy paws into every little thing that's happened in the Balkans in the last 200 years.
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