I laugh in the face of White Supremacist groups

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, think of it, as long as they don't go beyond what is acceptable, and the 'why did the dark man take away my mommy' is unacceptable imho, that is spreading hate.

How judgmental of you. [/sarcasm!]

I rather dislike nazi's and white-supremists they are idiots,

Really? Are they all really idiots? Even I called them ignorant... that means there is a possibility they could, you know, see the light and improve, and become regular happy well adjusted people. According to you they are mentally handicapped. How very judgmental of you. [/sarcasm!]

but the thing is I like myselve more then I dislike them

I'm happy for ya!

and I don't really feel like betraying myselve because of a bunch of racist idiots.

How very judgmental of you, calling those poor Nazis racist idiots. [/sarcasm!]

Freedom; it isn't meant for everyone if you know what I mean

Sounds awfully fascist to me.

and imho you are on the slippery slope not them.

How very judgmental of you! [/sarcasm!] I am glad you'll side with the Neo-Nazi hate groups over me.

When people talk about how awful it is to speak out against racists, and then turn around and engage in ad hominem style attacks against them, and then judge the people who say racism is wrong as being more sick and twisted than the racists themselves, for being so judgmental.... I really gotta wonder, like... where do you get this stuff? It's so hypocritical that the room is spinning.

I'm just saying, your own argument destroys itself and your credibility.

[Fragony]

I'm just saying, your own argument destroys itself and your credibility.

If you don't mind me saying you aren't your credibility's best friend in this thread.

"How very judgmental of you! I am glad you'll side with the Neo-Nazi hate groups over me. "

Sorry but why do I deserve this?

[Tribesman]

I'm just saying, your own argument destroys itself and your credibility.

Hold on there , what credibility ?
This is the bloke who claims good citizens who were caught red handed engaged in domestic terrorism and convicted of hate crimes were really innocent and only convicted because they were not immigrants .

[Fragony]

Hold on there , what credibility ?
This is the bloke who claims good citizens who were caught red handed engaged in domestic terrorism and convicted of hate crimes were really innocent and only convicted because they were not immigrants .

That one was simply way off juridically, and the judge himself said that the punishment was harsher because of just that, so end of story it happened. Almost forgot but someone keeps reminding me. Now also mention I once posted a post where I wanted to beat up muslim-rioters (5 years ago, drunk) and so we have all made a full circle and can carry on.

[Vuk]

Oh, and just so you know, one of my neighbors, used to be a racist. He and his wife were very nice, and completely harmless people. They did not act rudely to people of other races, or hurt anyone. They had a belief though that blacks were stupid and prone to violence, and that orientals were deceitfully, and that Latins were creepy. I used to think to myself when I heard them say things like that "How positively stupid", and I delibrately would bring my Korean gf over to their place for dinner. :P (no, we did not eat her :P) Long story made short, though I thought their belief was stupid, they were my good friends who I respected, they were nice people, and both of them ended up admitting that they were wrong about those beliefs. I do not think their beliefs were anymore harmful than those who look down on Christians, or muslims, or women, or men, or Americans, or Canadians. It was a stupid idea, and one they were talked out of, but it is not inherently violent. Violence is something different entirely, and needs to be dealt with for what it is: violence. The same thing goes for disturbing the peace, intimidation, etc.

I agree with you ATPG that racism is bad, but I do not think that means all racists are bad. To join an organised group like this in todays world I think means that you are a little insecure and perhaps not very smart, but I do not think it necassarily means someone is evil or deserving of hate. If they really think they are saving people, and they do not plan to use violence, intimidation, or such dirty tactics as that poster, then I see no reason to hate them.


EDIT: Another thing to think about with racists I think is this. Racism punishes itself. Violence needs to be punished so that it will not be continued, but racism does not. Punishing someone for it will just make them firmer in their beliefs. If someone wants to deprive themselves of the company and friendship of people from other races, it is their own loss, their own stupidity, and their own punishment. It hurts no one but themselves, as does the stress they put on themselves.
The problem here isn't the racism I think, but the violence, intimidation, and harmful posters. They could wrap it in nationalism, relgious hate, gender hate, whatever, that is just the frosting.