Republika Molotova Revolts

[Tribesman]

Intresting...

Yes , but the Serbs shouldn't feel that bad about it , after all none on emerging nations got what they thought they had been promised by Russia . They were all just bit players in the bigboys game so should have been happy with the few crumbs that were thrown to them .
Britain managed to play a blinder in that game , they got Cyprus and didn't have to do bugger all to get it really

[LittleGrizzly]

I recommend Tuchman's Guns of August.

Thanks. Good stuff

Britain managed to play a blinder in that game , they got Cyprus and didn't have to do bugger all to get it really

What just through negoiation ?

[Sarmatian]

1878 , the Russians had gone to war with Turkey and they had done a deal with the Austrians so Austria would not object to the formalisation of the independant Balkan nations and wouldn't object to the Russian territorial claims , the price Austria demanded for the deal was Bosnia .
So as samartian says the Serbians complained to the Russians about the evil Austrians taking the Turkish land and the Russians told the Serbs ooooo them nasty austrians look what they did to you, but it was the Russians who had done the deal with the Austrians in the first place so it was them who was playing the serbs as muppets .

Basically something like that, although there are Austrian and Russian version. Austrian version says that all has been agreed upon earlier, as Tribesy said while Russian version says they were cheated. Austrian version is more plausible as it was probably a bad diplomacy from the Russian side. The guy involved in the negotiations was demoted and never again held important diplomatic position within the Russian Empire...

It's important to note that AH got only the right to administer Bosnia in 1870's. The formal annexation happened only in 1908-1909.

Serbia feels cheated, Russia loses face. It can't afford to let down Serbia again in 1914.

Russia at the very least is as or more guilty than Germany, and possibly also France. I don't disagree with Austria at the top of the list, or the UK at the bottom.

Actually, I can't agree with that. Germany is in the strong second position, almost up there with AH. It was Berlin that let Austrians of the leash with the blank cheque and even actively encouraged Austria. Russia, although it promised support to Serbia, leaned pretty heavily on Serbia to accept almost everything in the Austrian ultimatum and it was ready to revert back to diplomacy.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

"The Serbs must be disposed of, and SOON!"
- Kaiser Wilhelm, 30 June 1914

"Zimmermann replied that if Austria meant to act she must do so immediately without diplomatic delays which would waste precious time and give the alarm to Entente diplomacy.[...] Zimmermann felt sure that, if this course were pursued, the conflict would remain localised, but that, should France and Russia intervene, Germany alone with her increased military strength would be able to meet them."
- Notes on meeting between Austrian and German foreign ministries, 5 July 1914

"Next day Bethmann officially informed Szogyeny and myself in the presence of Zimmermann that it was entirely for us to decide on the measures we were to take: in whatever circumstances and whatever our decision we should find Germany unconditionally at our side in allied loyalty."
- Hoyos, the Austrian envoy to Berlin, records how the German Chancellor offered Austria a blank cheque as regards Serbia, 6 July.

"Berlin expects the Monarchy to take action against Serbia... I could see that Germany would interpret any compromise on our part with Serbia as a confession of weakness, which would not remain without repercussions on our position in the Triple Alliance and the future policy of Germany."
- Berchtold, Austrian foreign minister, notes some veiled threats made by the German ambassador on 8 July.

It is important to note that Serbia was pretty much universally hated in Europe at the time and that even the Entente wouldn't object much if Serbia was absorbed by AH. Newspapers from Manchester from June 1914, although condemning bullying behaviour of AH and Germany, remarked that "if it were physically possible to remove Serbia and drop it in the ocean, the air Europe would become much cleaner". The image of Serbia changed during the war, mostly because of some pretty surprising victories of the Serbian army in spite of great hardships...

[rasoforos]

I do not know where to start and when to finish with it.

The fact that 'Moldavia bashing' turned into 'Balkan bashing' shows how dangerous lack of geographical knowledge is.

Firstly to Kronos Imperia:

'This is the unofficial name of the Republic of Moldova, a country full of people who refuse to declare they're Russian/Romanian and name themselves Moldovan just to get free gas from Russia and an EU passport from Romania. This practical joke of a state is the very essance of opportunism and corruption.'

The Moldavians themselves present a very different idea than yours. They are not(mostly) Romanians and they are not Russians. Just because Romania wants to absorb them because it considers Moldova as part of Romania doesn't make it so.

No seriously, that place belongs rightfully to Romania, and Russia can off from that place, greedy . They have Siberia and other places

Edyzmedieval. Moldovans claim it too you know


Anyway my pro-Moldovan stance is in no way affiliated to, or influenced by, the fact that I receive some fine Moldovan brandy twice a year or so.




And please if anyone is going to bash the Balkans, please go to the watchtower and demand/petition for a dedicated Balkan Bashing sub-forum. I find the fact that we are being bashed as a side-subject inside a Moldovan bashing forum highly insulting and I will have none of it! We, sirs, deserve more

[Louis VI the Fat]

The Moldavians themselves present a very different idea than yours. They are not(mostly) Romanians and they are not Russians. Just because Romania wants to absorb them because it considers Moldova as part of Romania doesn't make it so.

I would like to see Moldova (re)united with Romania. Indeed Moldova is distinct. As are Wallachia, Transsylvania and Romanian Moldavia. No countries are a monolith. Yet the unification of some regions make sense. Moldova as a Romanian region is as sensible as Rhodes as a Greek region or Normandy as a French one. Or, to use a more apt example, as the five former East German Lands as part of a united Germany.

After 1989, Germany re-incorporated the eastern regions. (Mittel-Deutschland for you German ultra-nationalists). In Romania, it went wrong. Logically, Moldova should've been re-incorporated with the western regions of Romania, as happened in Germany. Alas, Romania went through one of the most prolonged processes to democracy of all of the former East European dictatorships.

Moldova itself relapsed into a petty communist state. A source of instability. Of Russian agitation. (To remain silent of transnistria...)

Democracy in Europe, Romania, and Moldova are not served by the continued existence of a petty, semi-dictatorial mobster state. (For clarity's sake: by which I mean Moldova, not Romania )



To give it a Balkan dimension: the retreat of the Austrian, British, Ottoman and Russian empires from the Balkan has been and is the long term goal. In the case of Moldova ('Bessarabia'), Russia is the power to be ousted. Sentiment in Greece and Serbia leans more towards Russia - their natural ally against the interference of other imperialist powers. Which, I guess, should explain for the varying opinion about the Republic of Moldova between Romania and Greece. I would enjoy a conversation between our posters from the region more than another tired debate about World Wars - which one can read about in virtually all threads here.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Question:

Is this the region of which Smetana composed that glorious suite of his?



Thoughts:

No, I never confused it with the Balkans. I am too avid a fan of military history not to understand precisely where it is. I think the conflation here isn't as much a product of geographic ignorance as some have suggested, however (as TW players the level of map literacy is pretty high), so much as this nationalist 'identity dispute" reminds us of how the Balkans have interacted among themselves for so much of the last quarter century. The thematic issues brought up are relevant to the Balkan experience even if the specific geographic concerns are unique.

[Husar]

Anyway my pro-Moldovan stance is in no way affiliated to, or influenced by, the fact that I receive some fine Moldovan brandy twice a year or so.

My pro-Moldovan stance is not affected by the fact that I know a really hot girl from Moldova (some may remember a certain topic and pictures) either.

But then I'm probably generally a geographical conservative, except when it comes to forming the world government. So basically it should not be integrated into Romania but the EU.

[rasoforos]

Which, I guess, should explain for the varying opinion about the Republic of Moldova between Romania and Greece. I would enjoy a conversation between our posters from the region more than another tired debate about World Wars - which one can read about in virtually all threads here.

Let me assure you most Greeks do not know where Moldova is, let alone have a sentiment about it.

My sentiment (and it is mine and mine alone (not representing Greece) and not connected to 'bribery by Brandy' ) comes from the fact that I have known a few Moldovans and a few Romanians and that the feeling that 'the latter = the former' is (mostly) not shared by the latter. It is mostly Romanian wishful thinking and to make matters worse, due to population movements in the USSR it gets more complicated than that.

I believe Romania should try to fix it's situation at home before getting too involved into situations like this

[Sarmatian]

I would like to see Moldova (re)united with Romania. Indeed Moldova is distinct. As are Wallachia, Transsylvania and Romanian Moldavia. No countries are a monolith. Yet the unification of some regions make sense. Moldova as a Romanian region is as sensible as Rhodes as a Greek region or Normandy as a French one. Or, to use a more apt example, as the five former East German Lands as part of a united Germany.

After 1989, Germany re-incorporated the eastern regions. (Mittel-Deutschland for you German ultra-nationalists). In Romania, it went wrong. Logically, Moldova should've been re-incorporated with the western regions of Romania, as happened in Germany. Alas, Romania went through one of the most prolonged processes to democracy of all of the former East European dictatorships.

Moldova itself relapsed into a petty communist state. A source of instability. Of Russian agitation. (To remain silent of transnistria...)

Democracy in Europe, Romania, and Moldova are not served by the continued existence of a petty, semi-dictatorial mobster state. (For clarity's sake: by which I mean Moldova, not Romania )



To give it a Balkan dimension: the retreat of the Austrian, British, Ottoman and Russian empires from the Balkan has been and is the long term goal. In the case of Moldova ('Bessarabia'), Russia is the power to be ousted. Sentiment in Greece and Serbia leans more towards Russia - their natural ally against the interference of other imperialist powers. Which, I guess, should explain for the varying opinion about the Republic of Moldova between Romania and Greece. I would enjoy a conversation between our posters from the region more than another tired debate about World Wars - which one can read about in virtually all threads here.

I admit I'm not very familiar with situation in Moldavia, but from what I've been able to gather, election results paint a different picture than our Romanian friends want to show. Majority of population doesn't want to live in Romania. I don't have a strong opinion either way, it doesn't affect me personally in any way. It's not like Moldavia is the only semi-dictatorial mobster state in the region, it's facing strong opposition from Kosovo and Montenegro.

Again, the problem of great power interventions is evident and only serves to fuel nationalism. In the case of Albanians in Kosovo, self-determination is the way to go, in the case of Serbs in Bosnia, territorial integrity is the governing principle. The situation with Moldova complicated, Russia is directly involved. So, between double standards and Russia-NATO meddling all the time, I don't see much room for maneuver by Balkan nations. We're still forced to maneuver between hammer and anvil.

Now, the thing that Moldavia is not geographically part of the Balkans doesn't change much. Romania isn't either, but anything happening in Romania affects the entire region. Even Serbia isn't in the Balkans in its entirety. Novi Sad is divided by the Danube, it's not like I can go to the other side of the Danube to another part of city and say "these Balkan barbarian, they're not refined as us central Europeans.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Now, the thing that Moldavia is not geographically part of the Balkans doesn't change much. Romania isn't either, but anything happening in Romania affects the entire region. Even Serbia isn't in the Balkans in its entirety. Novi Sad is divided by the Danube, it's not like I can go to the other side of the Danube to another part of city and say "these Balkan barbarian, they're not refined as us central Europeans.

Two remarks:

1) Geopgraphy is cultural, geographical boundaries are a matter of cultural narratives. For example, one can hear Britons as stubbornly denying that they are Europeans as Armenians insisting that they are.

To me, the Balkans is everything south and east of Vienna, and north and west of Istanbul. In the east, I am not even sure where I'd draw the line. L'vov? Possibly. Kiev? Maybe. Though probably, a bit further to the west.


2) Would I be wrong to note that you follow the Greek / Russian / Serbian narrative about Moldavia? Which I mean neutrally. I am not beholden to any particular narrative. Just observing.

[Sarmatian]

Two remarks:

1) Geopgraphy is cultural, geographical boundaries are a matter of cultural narratives. For example, one can hear Britons as stubbornly denying that they are Europeans as Armenians insisting that they are.

To me, the Balkans is everything south and east of Vienna, and north and west of Istanbul. In the east, I am not even sure where I'd draw the line. L'vov? Possibly. Kiev? Maybe. Though probably, a bit further to the west.

Geography is geography and you can't draw the lines where you like. Another issue is that those lines are often meaningless in political or cultural terms. Metternich said that all land east and south of AH are Asia (Asia begins on Landstrasse). Bismarck used the term "Zwischenlaendern" to describe everything between western Europe and Russia and Ottoman Empire, all of which were much more easily definable. History, on the other hands, shows us that in political and cultural terms, those boundaries in Europe don't really exist. What happens in the East affects the West and vice versa, now even more so than 100 years ago.

2) Would I be wrong to note that you follow the Greek / Russian / Serbian narrative about Moldavia? Which I mean neutrally. I am not beholden to any particular narrative. Just observing.

I'd say you would. I don't have any particular opinion about Moldavia. What I know comes from a text in the papers that I read the other day, where election results were presented and goals of each party roughly explained. I don't know about Russians, but I don't think either Serbs or Greeks have a particular narrative about Moldavia. There is no strong official position on the issue in the government or strong sentiment among the population. Most don't really care. Heck, most Serbs by now don't even care about Kosovo anymore, let alone about Moldavia. Rasoforos might explain sentiment in Greece better and correct me if I'm wrong, this is just my feeling.

The only thing I would object to is if the thing would escalate into an armed conflict. I've had enough of that, thank you very much. Bar that, Moldavia may unite with Russia, Romania, Ukraine, stay as it is, be divided into two or more states, I don't really care.

It's just my observation that majority of people in Moldavia don't want to unite with Romania. Could be wrong though, I'm certainly not an expert on the issue.

[rvg]

Speaking of Kosovo, it is my understanding that Northern Kosovo is still fully under Serb control and will remain that way. Is that the case?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Geography is geography

I actually think we mean the same thing, but are both unclear in precise terminology. I mean that there are few meaningful 'hard' geographical divisions. Everything else is cultural geography.

It's just my observation that majority of people in Moldavia don't want to unite with Romania.

Apparently, they don't indeed. And apparently, they prefer to live under comunist rule as well. And no, I do not feel fine about that, although we shall have to accept it.

I myself, of course, am embedded in a Western / EU / democracy discourse*. (Which leads me to support as well the pro-Romanian, pro-unification, pro-Nato side)

This in contrast to the anti-Western / Anti-EU / communist discourse. (To which belong pro-Russia, anti-Romanian, anti-NATO)


*The West, except much of the UK. Which supports the communists, Russia, and anti-NATO side, in a bid to placate domestic hyper anti-EU sentiments.

[Sarmatian]

Speaking of Kosovo, it is my understanding that Northern Kosovo is still fully under Serb control and will remain that way. Is that the case?

Well, all Serbs in Kosovo are in the north. They're trying to resist Albanian domination as much as possible, but far Northern Kosovo is far from Serbian control.

Apparently, they don't indeed. And apparently, they prefer to live under comunist rule as well. And no, I do not feel fine about that, although we shall have to accept it.

I myself, of course, am embedded in a Western / EU / democracy discourse*. (Which leads me to support as well the pro-Romanian, pro-unification, pro-Nato side)

This in contrast to the anti-Western / Anti-EU / communist discourse. (To which belong pro-Russia, anti-Romanian, anti-NATO)


*The West, except much of the UK. Which supports the communists, Russia, and anti-NATO side, in a bid to placate domestic hyper anti-EU sentiments.

You've gotta understand that Moldavia is the poorest state in Europe by far. You know they've hit rock bottom when Moldavians try to smuggle themselves to Serbia . Most countries in the region are far from wealthy but even Albania is a heaven on earth compared to Moldavia. In a situation like that, it's not hard to understand why communism has support.

Anyway, we're talking about Moldavia. It's not Russia, there's hardly any danger of communist revolutions in Europe. But, in case it does happens, you may wanna go over some things, to be prepared. You know, just to be on the safe side...

[Jolt]

You've gotta understand that Moldavia is the poorest state in Europe by far. You know they've hit rock bottom when Moldavians try to smuggle themselves to Serbia .

Well Portugal has a large Moldovan diaspora as well. Around 15,000.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Maybe some more links are in order

EU envoy visits troubled Moldova
By Oana Lungescu
BBC News, Brussels


The EU is sending a senior politician, Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, to Moldova amid continuing tensions over a disputed parliamentary election. The Czech leader, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency, is visiting a day after a recount confirmed that the governing Communist Party had won.

The election dispute triggered riots in Moldova's capital Chisinau this month. Moldova blamed neighbouring Romania, an EU member, for stoking the violence and expelled the Romanian ambassador.

Mr Topolanek is paying the first high-level EU visit to the country since the riots. The EU wants to show it cares about stability on its eastern border with Russia's former empire. It has urged all parties in Moldova to avoid the use of force and stressed the need to respect human rights. But the Czech prime minister has to tread a fine line - showing solidarity with Romania, a full EU member, while not alienating Moldova, Europe's poorest country, which is increasingly turning to Moscow for support.

This is a test of the EU's "Eastern partnership" policy to build closer ties with former Soviet republics, including Moldova, which is due to be officially launched at a summit in Prague next month. An EU official told the BBC that the recent unrest was even more reason to engage with Moldova. The European Parliament is considering whether to send a fact-finding mission and EU foreign ministers will debate the situation next week.

But behind the scenes, there is also concern about Romania's offer to speed up granting passports to up to a million Moldovans - a quarter of the country's population - which would give them access to the rest of the EU. Most of Moldova was part of Romania until the Soviet Union annexed it in 1940, and there remain close cultural links between the people. But it is hard to see how the passport offer would contribute to bolstering Moldova's stability, a diplomat said, and it will not gain Romania any sympathy in other EU countries.

You've gotta understand that Moldavia is the poorest state in Europe by far. You know they've hit rock bottom when Moldavians try to smuggle themselves to Serbia . Most countries in the region are far from wealthy but even Albania is a heaven on earth compared to Moldavia. In a situation like that, it's not hard to understand why communism has support.

I can see why they would vote as they did. Nevertheless, an election that yields a fifty percent communist vote is shocking. It will prove to be the cause of continued trouble, rather than a solution.

Anyway, we're talking about Moldavia. It's not Russia, there's hardly any danger of communist revolutions in Europe. But, in case it does happens, you may wanna go over some things, to be prepared. You know, just to be on the safe side...

I will only ever sing the Marseillaise and Beethoven's Ninth. All other songs are the product of deranged depravity.

The enemies of the open society never sleep, they have a long memory too. We ourselves therefore, must be wary constantly, and think long term too, not losing track of our ultimate goal of a free, democratic and peaceful Europe.

[Vuk]

This thread is pretty sad. I have stayed out of it so far, because I am not familiar enough with the situation to make any contribution short of illeologically driven opinion that I may drop in a casual conversation. Many posters though seem to be giving firm opinion having no idea at all what they are talking about.
I am gonna have to research this when I got time. :P

[Slyspy]

I actually think we mean the same thing, but are both unclear in precise terminology. I mean that there are few meaningful 'hard' geographical divisions. Everything else is cultural geography.


Apparently, they don't indeed. And apparently, they prefer to live under comunist rule as well. And no, I do not feel fine about that, although we shall have to accept it.

I myself, of course, am embedded in a Western / EU / democracy discourse*. (Which leads me to support as well the pro-Romanian, pro-unification, pro-Nato side)

This in contrast to the anti-Western / Anti-EU / communist discourse. (To which belong pro-Russia, anti-Romanian, anti-NATO)


*The West, except much of the UK. Which supports the communists, Russia, and anti-NATO side, in a bid to placate domestic hyper anti-EU sentiments.

Is this the good old Western idea of democracy for all, except when we don't like the results?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Is this the good old Western idea of democracy for all, except when we don't like the results?

Why, as far as I am concerned, indeed it is. But I would rather name it the good old Western dilemma: should democracy be able to vote itself out of existence?

Can 50 percent +1 decide to curb the rights of the minority? Can fifty percent plus one democratically decide to murder the other fifty percent minus one?
Of course not. They can't, because 'democracy' does not, as is sometimes assumes, mean 'majority rule', but rather equality and the rule of law. To both of which, as history has shown, communism is an inveterate enemy.

[Vuk]

Why, as far as I am concerned, indeed it is. But I would rather name it the good old Western dilemma: should democracy be able to vote itself out of existence?

Can 50 percent +1 decide to curb the rights of the minority? Can fifty percent plus one democratically decide to murder the other fifty percent minus one?
Of course not. They can't, because 'democracy' does not, as is sometimes assumes, mean 'majority rule', but rather equality and the rule of law. To both of which, as history has shown, communism is an inveterate enemy.

The US government is designed exactly NOT to infringe on the rights of either the majority or minority, so you are quite correct. Government is supposed to stay out of people's affiars, or else the few rich will oppress the poor, or the majority will oppress the minority.

[Sarmatian]

I think it's a more of interests first, democracy second. If we can have both at the same time - great. If not, well, democracy will have to wait...

Seen on the example of Montenegro - Djukanovic is worse dictator than Milosevic ever was, but no one from democratic countries could care less as he's pro NATO... Good ol' case of Great Powers and the Balkan Question, the umpteenth part...

[Vuk]

I think it's a more of interests first, democracy second. If we can have both at the same time - great. If not, well, democracy will have to wait...

Seen on the example of Montenegro - Djukanovic is worse dictator than Milosevic ever was, but no one from democratic countries could care less as he's pro NATO... Good ol' case of Great Powers and the Balkan Question, the umpteenth part...

lol, this could potentially get very heated and very offtopic very quickly. :P

[Husar]

The thing is, we have to save Moldavia because I heard it has the best girls and my personal experience supports that.

Maybe if our governments had cared about Moldavia and helped them before they voted for a communist party, they wouldn't have done it, but now China and Russia might help them and strengthen the commies while the west boycotts and antagonizes them further until the carpet bombing starts.

[Cronos Impera]

Just to start a little history thread with a little help of Geography.

Here is the Republic of Moldova (purple) without Transdneister and the rest of Moldova (brown) as a historical province of Romania.I come from the brown-and-green part of the map and internally I am also called a "Moldovan". Moldovenaul is also the name given to the highest peak in Romania (2545 m).Calling Romanians biased and racist about Moldova is like calling Americans biased against Texas which is obviously bull**** since Texans are Americans.
After nationality there is always regional pride (like SFTS has clearly shown here) but even Texans understand the difference between group and sub-group. There is no cultural shock when a Texan goes to New York or to California. A climate shock maybe, but not a national/ethnic shock.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Romania is a nation-state founded by the unification between Moldova and Wallachia (not Moldova and Romania as some "Moldovans" claim) after the Paris Congress. Back then, the dominant superpowers ware Prussia, United Kingdom, Russia and Austria. Those European superpowers firstly consolidated Russia's claim over Bessarabia (gained from the Ottoman Empire in 1812) and then denied Romanians (Wallachians and Moldovans) the right to unite in a single national state, insisting on the creation of a federal state like the later Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Of course they didn't say anything about the possibility of electing a Domn (equivalent to monarch or king) in both states so the two national assemblies fromed "ad-hoc" or "on-the-spot" elected Alexandru Ioan Cuza ( a cavalry officer from Moldova) to rule over both Moldova and Wallachia.
This effectively meant the unification of Wallachia and Moldova into one state: Romania.
Then for the first time two parties formed : "the Romanian whigs" and "the Romanian torries" and both decided it was time to import a German Hohenzollern as King because they needed an unbiased arbiter to moderate political life. His military experience during the Prussio-Austrian War proved invaluable for The Independence War. Afterwards we had his nephew, Ferdiand and a Windsor Queen "Mary" during the Great War and Early Interwar Years before the Great Depression.
Then came the Republic and everything fell apart (the land reforms, free education plans, just about everything).
The Republic of Moldova <<Bessarabia>> (without Trandneister) comprised 36% of Moldova when it was annexed by Russia. Taking advantage of the Cyrillic alpahbet in use at that time and their superioar assimilation skills, Russians slowly managed to build a presence there during the Romanov Empire.
After the Great War, Bessarabia was the first historical province to unite with Romania, taking advantage of the chaos of the Civil War in Russia. This was ratified in the National Assembly of Bessarabia.
During and before the Interwar period, Moldovan was used in Romania just like Texan, Dixie, Yankee and Californian are used in USA, to help pinpoint a place of birth rather than a nationality (since you can speak of a Moldovan nationality like you can call dixie a separate nationality in the US, dispite some subtle accent differences).
The Comintern took advantage of this small distinction and used it to destroy Romania, percieved as a threat to Stalin's plans in the same way as Poland or Finland.
Thus MSSR was created in today's Transdneister region as a laboratory for the creation of the Moldavian ethnicity with the purpose of creating a Moldavian identity separate from Romanian so that these "test-tubes" would declare war on Romania and "liberate" Besarabia, Bukovina and ultimately Moldova itself from the "Romanian opressors".The "founding fathers" of the Republic ware mostly communist dissidendts and Soviet KGB. After the creation of the MSSR the Soviets embarked on a series of lingvistic experiments like those carried on English to develop Newspeak.The Romanian language spoken was injected with Russian neologisms, stripped of obvious "Latin" elements and thousands of words ware eliminated from the basic vocabulary untill only regionalisms survived.The rest was filled with Russian/Slavonic terms. This is how "Moldavian" as a language different from Romanian was born. However, The Great Purges of the thirties halted this experiments as the commisars entrusted with their development ware sent to gulags for Trotzkym.
WW2 allowed them such a victory as Soviet forces occupied Bessarabia, North Bukovina and Herta. Millions of Romanians from those teritories ware sent to gulags, settled in Syberia or Kazakhstan or simply killed. However in Bessarabia and Bukovina still remained over two million Romanians.
The collapse of the Soviet Union created an opportunity for a reunification with Romania as it happened previously in 1918, or for MSSR to join Ukraine or even Russia. Faced with brakeaway Gagauz and Transdneister regions, the liders of that period decided that sitting naked bith the buttocks between two hulls was the best option.
Thus The Republic of Moldova was created, born of a Romanian motherland and a Russian fatherland this bastard state survives only by recieving aid from both (it's like international courts declaring a child an orphan and demanding the parents pay full child support).
While being independent Moldova's official policy has been to censor any Romanian material with "Romanian" written on it from being published.
After all, both countries share most historical and cultural figures (except those which ware born during the Soviet era), the name of the currency, and almost anything that was not forged during the Soviet occupation.
The consolidation of independece found the newly-liberated "Moldovans" facing the fascist Romanians (mostly elders from the Interwar period and a few pro-Romanian youth who benefited from the free scholarships).Their response was MURDER.Many champions of Romania ware either expelled or murdered. The execution method is always a car accident (either the victim is a pedestrian and gets killed on the pavement by an annonymous driver or he's pushed in a tree). Among the victims of the Republic ware Ion Aldea & Doina Teodorici and Grigore Vieru. "Moldova suverana" always sends letters to the mourning families expressing their grief and regret and their death is forgotten.
Even worse, to ensure the survival of Moldova as an independent republic, those s***heads have started to produce their own version of the Minitrue, with Vasile Stati as head speaker for a non-existent language.

Imagine SFTS you're Texan. Imagine some Mexican gringos escaping extradition forming their autonomous republic in Mexico. Imagine those gringos proclaming New Texas and claming you're assimilated and demanding the immediate incorporation of Texas into Mexico to save the Texan nation from American assimilation.Who cares Texans are Americans, the Republic of New Texas suits our interests to destabalise the region. Now imagine that Gringo telling you you're not Texan for refusing to accept an independent Texas. Wouldn't that make you take a gun and ******.

Moldovan independence is not like Austria's case. Austria and Prussia ware independent European powers which ware so influient and mighty they could act like poles of power in the German world.
Moldova's situation after independence ressembles that of FYROM. They claim ancient origins, they claim Romanian land, they have separatist regions that would soon declare their own independence and claim the highest poverty rates in Europe for that cause. Most heavy industry is situated in Transdneister so Moldova's only exports remain wine and brandy.
As an independent state Moldova will never join the EU or anything. Its policy is to remain "politically neutral" and that means getting in a position to recieve international aid without having to join anyone (neither Russia, Ukraine, or Romania for that matter).

[Cronos Impera]

Here is a political cartoon describing the stalemete.

[Prince Cobra]

I see your point but what do you suggest? What do you think that Romania shall do? Bulgaria has similiar story with Macedonia, Greece and Turkey with Cyprus, Serbia with Republika Sarbska in Bosnia (bad spelling), Hungary with Vojvodina and the Hungarian minority in Romania.

I think the only option is peaceful and economic collaboration between states + common culture programs and such nice things can show the Romanian (in your case) people they are not forgotten. If there is a violation of human rights then an active foreign policy can put this government on pressure + the perspective of EU integration (though there are certain, if not a lot, problems; this in long turn) can also help a lot.

I think force will be useless and harmful.

P.S. I am fed up with conflicts for changing the borders. As if such conflicts bring something different than suffering to the both sides.

[Jolt]

Portugal also has the same problem. The rest of Spain should belong to us. We are superior. Any other state in Iberia would've been crushed by the hegemon of the peninsula. Just look at Italy! So if Portugal annexes Spain, only then will the Iberian Peninsula become the great power of the world.

[Sarmatian]

Portugal also has the same problem. The rest of Spain should belong to us. We are superior. Any other state in Iberia would've been crushed by the hegemon of the peninsula. Just look at Italy! So if Portugal annexes Spain, only then will the Iberian Peninsula become the great power of the world.

Nah, that's barbaric. We should organize football matches, and whoever wins conquers the opponent.

[Louis VI the Fat]

There is no cultural shock when a Texan goes to New York

B..but in New York they eat with a knife and fork...

[rasoforos]

Calling Romanians biased and racist about Moldova is like calling Americans biased against Texas which is obviously bull**** since Texans are Americans.

Yes, if you consider Moldovans to the Romanians. Which the Moldovans do not (How many times do we have to repeat it?)

I can claim that the Chinese are Greeks and demand Shanghai to be united with our glorious Greek 'Motherland' but that is just silly, it won't make it happen, and the Chinese will quite rightly tell me to off (yes like the Moldovans do to Romanians!)...

Romania is a nation-state founded by the unification between Moldova and Wallachia.

Great! So if we rename Romania into Wallachia then it is problem solved! No need to assimilate any Moldovans.

Thus The Republic of Moldova was created, born of a Romanian motherland and a Russian fatherland this bastard state survives only by recieving aid from both (it's like international courts declaring a child an orphan and demanding the parents pay full child support).

Now now, to write a 2000 word essay on Moldovlachia just to bash them as a bastard state is uncalled for...

Also you should consider how much of my tax money is going to Romania as EU aid so I only get 20 Romanian people a day pestering me to clean my windscreen at the traffic lights for coins.

As I said before, Romania should clear it's own mess first and make sure it provides enough for it's citizens before caring about how poor Moldova is.

As an independent state Moldova will never join the EU or anything. Its policy is to remain "politically neutral" and that means getting in a position to recieve international aid without having to join anyone (neither Russia, Ukraine, or Romania for that matter).

Yes, it is called diplomacy...

...and I do not see a whole lot of trouble if they do not want to join. They have the right to, same as they have the right to not want to be annexed by Romania.

Cheers