Why Homeschool? Because School Officials Argue They Can Cavity-Search Young Girls

[seireikhaan]

CR, tell me this. Where exactly in the article did it say the school officials said they should be allowed to issue cavity searches?


*Not that this isn't pretty damn disturbing, just asking that you not make outlandish lies*

[Crazed Rabbit]

CR, tell me this. Where exactly in the article did it say the school officials said they should be allowed to issue cavity searches?


*Not that this isn't pretty damn disturbing, just asking that you not make outlandish lies*

Um, right here:

Mr. Wright did draw the line at searches of students’ body cavities, but only on the practical ground that school officials are not trained to conduct such searches. Mr. Wright said there was no legal obstacle to such a search.

The implication being, of course, that if one school official did attend a weekend adult education course for cavity searching, they would have the legal right to cavity search a child for contraband (which includes legal drugs and black markers).

And this isn't the personal opinion of a lawyer but the arguments of a man representing the school district.

The problem is the district's and many court's view that kids in school have almost no rights.

Another question is, why would a student want to smuggle Ibuprofen into school?

It's against the rules for kids to have it, and any other drug, legal or not. The kids can't have aspirin. Which means I broke the rules a lot with my allergy medicine.

CR

[seireikhaan]

Yes. The point is, he in fact drew the line. You are ignoring this basic fact. The title is intentionally inflammatory and I find that highly aggravating.

And you're ignoring the fact that kids HAVE no rights. They aren't adults. Sucks, I know, I was one two years ago. That's the way the law is, as of right now.

[Strike For The South]

At my public high school I was stripped many times and then forced to shower with other men everyday. This went on for all 4 years.

Thank You CR for exposing the sham that is education, we should all hole up.

There were also minorties at my school. Who can I talk to about that?

[Beirut]

If anyone, anywhere, at any time, for any reason, forces my daughter (I have two daughters, 11 & 13) to remove her clothes, I will respond with instant and unrestrained physical violence.

Period.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

And you're ignoring the fact that kids HAVE no rights. They aren't adults. Sucks, I know, I was one two years ago. That's the way the law is, as of right now.

The rights of minors are extremely limited. Schools are usually accorded a great deal of "in loco parentis" authority over students. It thus falls to the parents to choose.

If this became a norm here, then I as a parent would homeschool or parochial school my children. Only decent response.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Um, right here:


The implication being, of course, that if one school official did attend a weekend adult education course for cavity searching, they would have the legal right to cavity search a child for contraband (which includes legal drugs and black markers).

That's the implication the person who wrote the article is making.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I refuse to believe that a small-government conservative would use a sensationalist title to get a point across.

Although I am pretty disgusted by the fact they can get children to strip.

[Xiahou]

That's the implication the person who wrote the article is making.

Mr. Wright did draw the line at searches of students’ body cavities, but only on the practical ground that school officials are not trained to conduct such searches. Mr. Wright said there was no legal obstacle to such a search.

He said there was no legal obstacle to cavity searches. Sounds like he was arguing they could do them if they were trained to do so. The case was not triggered by a cavity search, but I've got to say that the title is factually accurate.

More directly on topic, I don't really think children enjoy all the rights and privileges of adults, but I think the parents should definitely be involved in the decision-making process for any searches like this. I think the school is out of line in doing it themselves.

[HoreTore]

This is one of the reasons I'm going to study to be a teacher.

School staff are of the belief that they have police authority over the kids. And not just prosecution - they're also the judge and jury. This is simply insane, why so many students put up with it I can't understand. They're young, inexperienced and simply afraid of authorities. There are some differences, but those with experience have way too much respect for authorities, and those with no respect for authorities are unable to make a decent case for themselves. I'm proud to say I never put up with any of the crap they threw at me.

Granted, that did get me thrown out of high school.... But at that time I had already decided I didn't want to continue studying that field, so whatever

[Sasaki Kojiro]

He said there was no legal obstacle to cavity searches. Sounds like he was arguing they could do them if they were trained to do so. The case was not triggered by a cavity search, but I've got to say that the title is factually accurate.

More directly on topic, I don't really think children enjoy all the rights and privileges of adults, but I think the parents should definitely be involved in the decision-making process for any searches like this. I think the school is out of line in doing it themselves.

"Mr. Wright, is there any legal obstacle to a cavity search?"
"No there is no legal obstacle to a cavity search"

It does not quote him as saying that the only reason they didn't perform a cavity search was because there was no one trained to do so. That may be true, but only the author of the article has said so.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

The thread title is basically accurate then - the officials said they could, but they didn't.

I hope those upset by this stop paying the property taxes that support the public school boards - because if it's wrong for the school to strip search your child, shouldn't it be wrong to strip search the other children? Simply taking your child out of the equation isn't really a moral stand, is it? Consider those who can't afford to either homeschool or private school their children.

[Tribesman]

a legal painkiller

prescription-strength ibuprofen,
That changes the legality a bit doesn't it .

And the student wasn't breaking a law - just @($#^(*@$&(*@ school policy!

Actually no , she was breaking school policy but she was accused of breaking the law too
that Savana was currently concealing ibuprofen pills underneath her underpants for others’ oral consumption
supplying prescription drugs for others is a crime , so is obtaining proscription drugs under false pretences , just ask Rush Limbaugh

[Xiahou]

Starting at page 17 of the court transcript:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

JUSTICE SCALIA: Could I come back to your distinguishing a strip search from a cavity search. What would you require before you would allow a cavity search?

MR. WRIGHT: Nothing at all. A bright line rule. I would not allow it.

JUSTICE SCALIA: No cavity search in school, no matter what?

MR. WRIGHT: We're not even clinically trained to do that, Your Honor. I would submit that if a child has something stuffed up one of their cavities -- and I assume we mean private parts, the very private parts -- that the first thing to do would be to send them to the hospital. I mean, we just don't have that clinical training.JUSTICE SOUTER: Your basis -- your basis for saying that, I guess, is just sort of the practical one, we don't know how to do that type of thing. So far as the legal principle on the basis of which you justified this search, you could justify that search, too, couldn't you?

MR. WRIGHT: On the legal basis I could see that, Your Honor. I could see that result. But practically -

He admits there would be no legal impediment to cavity searches if the court decided in his favor. He says they would never be done though, listing the lack of proper training as a reason why.

[Hosakawa Tito]

The case is being watched closely, and not just because of its R-rated circumstances. It's pitting school district officials against teachers. The National School Boards Association, representing 14,000 school districts nationwide, doesn't want reasonable school disciplinary actions to be second-guessed with lawsuits. The National Education Association, representing 3.2 million educators, counters that strip-searches are so emotionally harmful that they must be limited sharply.

They seem to think they have more leeway with strip searches than police. They acted on vague and uncorroborated allegations. Lawsuit time.

The first thing my school had better do is contact me, because on my way there I'll be contacting the police & my lawyer. This incident wasn't a life-threatening emergency so school officials can wait till they get parental permission. Instruct your child to refuse to submit to any strip search till you get there. Go to your next school board meeting and let them know your feelings on this issue. Demand clearcut procedures be enacted and that the parents will be part of the process in determining reasonable school disciplinary actions.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

They seem to think they have more leeway with strip searches than police. They acted on vague and uncorroborated allegations. Lawsuit time.

The first thing my school had better do is contact me, because on my way there I'll be contacting the police & my lawyer. This incident wasn't a life-threatening emergency so school officials can wait till they get parental permission. Instruct your child to refuse to submit to any strip search till you get there. Go to your next school board meeting and let them know your feelings on this issue. Demand clearcut procedures be enacted and that the parents will be part of the process in determining reasonable school disciplinary actions.

You will find that by registering your child to attend that public school, you have given them the right to enforce all school-board approved policies (including such searches) in advance.

Your choice is to a) send your child to school under their rules, b) send your child to a different school under their rules, c) home school your child, or d) run for school board and work to change the rules.

A child's personal rights are REALLY limited.

[Xiahou]

You will find that by registering your child to attend that public school, you have given them the right to enforce all school-board approved policies (including such searches) in advance.

Your choice is to a) send your child to school under their rules, b) send your child to a different school under their rules, c) home school your child, or d) run for school board and work to change the rules.

A child's personal rights are REALLY limited.

B) isn't really a choice in the US- unless you mean coughing up for private school. For public schools, "choice" is a dirty word. You're legally required to submit to whatever rules they come up with or take on the sizeable cost of paying for your child's education independently.