EU profiler.

[Incongruous]

British National Party

75% in accordance with Welfare, family and health
92% in accordance with Migration and immigration
0% in accordance with Society, religion and culture
100% in accordance with Finances and taxes
100% in accordance with Economy and work
75% in accordance with Environment, transport and energy
100% in accordance with Law and order
0% in accordance with Foreign policy
80% in accordance with European integration


UK Independence Party

75% in accordance with Welfare, family and health
83% in accordance with Migration and immigration
50% in accordance with Society, religion and culture
88% in accordance with Finances and taxes
63% in accordance with Economy and work
92% in accordance with Environment, transport and energy
75% in accordance with Law and order
13% in accordance with Foreign policy
83% in accordance with European integration

Conservative Party

75% in accordance with Welfare, family and health
58% in accordance with Migration and immigration
56% in accordance with Society, religion and culture
58% in accordance with Finances and taxes
75% in accordance with Economy and work
58% in accordance with Environment, transport and energy
88% in accordance with Law and order
63% in accordance with Foreign policy
67% in accordance with European integration

Not surprising.

[tibilicus]

British National Party

75% in accordance with Welfare, family and health
92% in accordance with Migration and immigration
0% in accordance with Society, religion and culture
100% in accordance with Finances and taxes
100% in accordance with Economy and work
75% in accordance with Environment, transport and energy
100% in accordance with Law and order
0% in accordance with Foreign policy
80% in accordance with European integration



Not surprising.

So you support the BNP?

[Incongruous]

So you support the BNP?

Oh dear, try again.

[Justiciar]

I took this a few days ago (on the Paradox forums, I believe) and fell remarkably in line with the Liberal Democrats, with Labour sitting at my sphere's edge.

[tibilicus]

Oh dear, try again.

Well?

[naut]

In between the Tories and Greens, 72% and 70% respectively. Although it put me pretty close to the BNP as well, 67%, which made me laugh.

It doesn't seem to take the party probability into account though. I put Lib Dems as 10, Tories at 7 and Greens at 5. All the rest at 0.

Edit: The overseas voter rules are a pain though. Got to register before May 19th...

[Tribesman]

Banquo , what did you think of the referendum question in the link?
I wonder if anyone from Ireland answered no , which of course would require a referendum

[Fragony]

83% PVV, my boy.

English test, somewhere between the BNP and the UKIP

http://www.ukip.org/ I like

[Louis VI the Fat]

For the sake of comparison, I took the UK (England) test. The result was that I should vote BNP.


Duh, no it wasn't. I got the result I expected, Liberal Democrats. It also appears I'm closer to Labour than I'd care to know...

[Incongruous]

Well?

Yes, I support the fascists, and in doing so would gladly rob myself of the right to call myself an Englishman...

I don't think you understood the structure of that quizz very well, did you?

You notice I disagree 100% with the BNP's social outlook, and to be honest the questions on immigration were too vague and too few to allow one a proper indication of where they sit on the political spectrum.

I am closest to the Tories, if you look closely.

[tibilicus]

Yes, I support the fascists, and in doing so would gladly rob myself of the right to call myself an Englishman...

I don't think you understood the structure of that quizz very well, did you?

You notice I disagree 100% with the BNP's social outlook, and to be honest the questions on immigration were too vague and too few to allow one a proper indication of where they sit on the political spectrum.

I am closest to the Tories, if you look closely.

Ah right, it's just you said "not surprised" which suggested to me that you weren't surprised because you would normally support them. If you read your first post I think you'll find you were a bit misleading, to me it seemed like you were indicating that's where your nominal political views fell.

But w/e no need to be snarky..

We're cool.

[Incongruous]

Ah right, it's just you said "not surprised" which suggested to me that you weren't surprised because you would normally support them. If you read your first post I think you'll find you were a bit misleading, to me it seemed like you were indicating that's where your nominal political views fell.

But w/e no need to be snarky..

We're cool.

I was not being misleading, you allowed your feelings to carry you away onto some line of thought which allowed you to think that a person whom can claim Jewish and Magyar ancestry would vote for a bunch of rascists like the BNP

I take it very seriuosly when someone believes I am a fascist.

But, yeah its cool.

[seireikhaan]

I ended up in the top left quadrant, by about a 1x1 inch square. I put myself as a Brit, and apparently ended up as being closest to the Conservative party, although they were still barely within my bubble due to stark differences in regard to, well, a lot.


Conservative Party

33% in accordance with Welfare, family, and wealth
17% in accordance with Migration and Immigration
75% in accordance with Society, religion, and culture
13% in accordance with finances and taxes
25% in accordance with economy and work
33% in accordance with Environment, transport, and energy
94% in accordance with law and order
88% in accordance with foreign policy
58% in accordance with European integration

[Pannonian]

I ended up in the top left quadrant, by about a 1x1 inch square. I put myself as a Brit, and apparently ended up as being closest to the Conservative party, although they were still barely within my bubble due to stark differences in regard to, well, a lot.

Sounds a bit like me. There was a party from one of the other countries that was sitting almost directly on top of where I landed, but most of the parties were a distance away towards the top of the graph. I think what counts as a moderate in England is hugely Euro-sceptical compared to most of Europe.

[Tribesman]

I think it indicates I'm closest to their Lib(eral?) Party.

Thats Declan Ganleys one man show party , Libertas .

SF was my nearest on europe , if you took a line from Kukris centre point at about 320 deg its where it hits the ege of his range

[Husar]

Well, nationally it tells me "Freie Wähler" or free voters, if that's a party, I haven't heard of it yet, it wasn't in the graph I think, no party was in my circle nationally.

In european terms it tells me the "Svenska Folkpartiet i Finland" should get my vote.

Oh and it has me down as slightly left and almost half way on the pro EU side.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Well, nationally it tells me "Freie Wähler" or free voters, if that's a party, I haven't heard of it yet, it wasn't in the graph I think, no party was in my circle nationally.

They just won 21 seats in the Bavarian Landtag.

EDIT: Which makes them the third largest party in there.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Thats Declan Ganleys one man show party , Libertas .

SF was my nearest on europe , if you took a line from Kukris centre point at about 320 deg its where it hits the ege of his range

That's fascinating.

The problem in Ireland is that all our parties are morons.

That said, the profiler was interesting but too one-dimensional (as these questions tend to be). It dropped me into the Labour party (see Kukri's chart, reddish point to top left) which is pro-Europe and left of centre. Whereas if I vote, I tend to fall somewhere near Fine Gael (pro-Europe, sort-of conservative). Despite several 100% comparators, apparently my views on civil liberties, finance, bail-outs and locking people up diverge. Which is odd, since my views on those things are conservative, or at least what used to be conservative. Apparently, nowadays, if one believes that preserving civil rights against the lies of power-hungry governments who use terrorism as an excuse, this makes one a leftie.

I thought the questions had rather a lot of weighting towards national politics rather than the EU. And they don't understand that one can be very pro-Europe, but very anti the Lisbon Treaty.

Interesting to delve into the European party comparisons though.

EDIT: Amusing that the British graph has New Labour further over to the socio-economic right than the Tories.

[KukriKhan]

Thats Declan Ganleys one man show party , Libertas .

SF was my nearest on europe , if you took a line from Kukris centre point at about 320 deg its where it hits the ege of his range

Ah, so Libertas is Ganley's vanity party. A couple excerpts for the Wikipedia article on him:

... and said that Europe needs a constitution of no more than 25 pages which needs to be upfront and honest in what it sets out to achieve, and that all of Europe must be given a vote on it.

That seems reasonable, and democratic to me. But then, I'm not a European.

Many Galwegians do not agree with his decision that he is now Irish and wish he would go back to England and stop embarrassing their county and country by pretending he is from there.

He seems to have a bit of trouble satisfying several financial disclosure requirements for his supposedly "grassroots" party.

Good Luck Irishers & Europeans. It'll work out eventually. A simpler document, garnering at least two-thirds "Yeas" across your continent could work out to your benefit.

[woad&fangs]

I played as a Brit. Aside from the "law and order" section, I match the Conservative party almost exactly.

[CountArach]

Alright here are my results (Putting myself down as a dirty, dirty Pom):

LibDems are my closest party in terms of the EU integration, but in terms of domestic policy it is The Greens. Overally it is 59.8% Greens and 56.7% LibDems.

My nearest party in Europe are the Iniciativa per Catalunya Verds (Initiative for Catalonia Greens), followed by teh Portuguese Humanist Party and then other various Socialist and Communist parties.

[Craterus]

Between the Green Party and the Tories. Will likely vote LD though, despite their pro-Euro policies.

[JAG]

72.8% match for the Lib Dems and Greens - with the Lib Dems being the party they suggest I am nearest to - funnily enough voted for them last time, won't this time because of their increasingly nasty comments about the EU.

[Louis VI the Fat]

... and said that Europe needs a constitution of no more than 25 pages which needs to be upfront and honest in what it sets out to achieve, and that all of Europe must be given a vote on it.

That seems reasonable, and democratic to me. But then, I'm not a European.

Good Luck Irishers & Europeans. It'll work out eventually. A simpler document, garnering at least two-thirds "Yeas" across your continent could work out to your benefit.

Me, I oppose a EU constitution.

The EU is not a federation. It is not a confederation. It is, in fact, not a state of any form. A constitution would be a mistake.

The EU has a number of treaties, allowing it to function as a supranational institution. What the EU needed - and still desperately needs! - is a codification of these treaties into a coherent, functioning whole. This is what Lisbon is about. This is what the 'constitution' should've been about in the first place. What went wrong, is that they put Valéry Giscard d’Estaing in charge of overseeing the codification of the European Treaties. This put him into too tempting a position. He decided to grasp this opportunity to immortality, and renamed his codification work a 'constitution'. This, he hoped, would guarantee him a position as 'Founding Father' for posterity.

Alas, the word constitution set ablaze the Eurosceptic movement. The end result is that they make any re-working of the existing treaties impossible, thinking that they are fighting a constitution, while in reality, they are preventing the cleaning up of unworkable aspects of the EU. Ironically, much of which would solve some of the main problems of the EU in the first place.


As for a referendum. I'd prefer not. Treaties are the work of compromise, of intricate negotiations between 27 independent states. Hence there can be no workable national referenda. There can be no Europe-wide referendum in the first place, for two obvious reasons: the sovereignity of smaller states like Ireland and Danmark would be brutalised by the large states. And secondly, the EU must respect that national constitutions do not allow for a referendum. (For a prime example: Germany).

[KukriKhan]

I begin to see, I think. What is sought (or what you propose) is NOT a United States of Europe, ala the USA, nor a Confederation ala Canada - in fact, such seemingly copy-cat imitations rub Europeans the wrong way, and work against unity - but more like the idealized (but never realized) Union of Socialist Republics. A UIESR (union of independent european socialist republics), so to speak.

I agree, a continent-wide referendum would be unwieldy and unfair. Maybe nation-wide referenda with each current nation having equal weight?

Anyway, the way forward: scrap Lisbon, and start over, or try to fix broken Lisbon; in your opinion?