The Current Status of Monarchism.

[lenin96]

you are still spouting rhetoric that was demonstrated to be cretinous nearly twenty years ago, wow.

I was being serious.

civil unrest would be directed at whoever tried to make the UK a republic, and rightly so because those who directly wield the cratos would not be reflecting the will of the demos.

I'm not interested in the fact that most people would like the monarchy, but that the people who don't want one (and I don't blame them) shouldn't have to put up with it.

[Incongruous]

I'm not interested in the fact that most people would like the monarchy, but that the people who don't want one (and I don't blame them) shouldn't have to put up with it.

???

Wait, are you saying that the minority which agrees with your ideals, the right ones, it more important than the mass of people whom disagree with you?
Haven't you just been arguing for Democracy? Or rather, the democracy of the workers? The workers who in the u.k are the greatest support base for the Monarchy?

[lenin96]

Wait, are you saying that the minority which agrees with your ideals, the right ones, it more important than the mass of people whom disagree with you?
Haven't you just been arguing for Democracy? Or rather, the democracy of the workers? The workers who in the u.k are the greatest support base for the Monarchy?

If all the workers supported the monarchy then I wold leave them alone. But rightiousness is one of the most selective things there is. I wasn't arguing for democracy, I'm mostly against Democracy (at least western Democracy). I was mostly arguing for anti-monarchism as well as Socialism. Some workers don't like the monarchy, and seeing that nobody should have to put up with a monarchy I would stand up for them.

[HoreTore]

???

Wait, are you saying that the minority which agrees with your ideals, the right ones, it more important than the mass of people whom disagree with you?
Haven't you just been arguing for Democracy? Or rather, the democracy of the workers? The workers who in the u.k are the greatest support base for the Monarchy?

I said it before, but I'll happily say it again:

If the people loves their king so much, the solution is obvious to us living in a democracy: ELECT HIM!

The lack of hereditary rule is one of the top reasons why democracy is better than other systems. In a democracy, people come to power because of their abilities. If the King/Queen is so loved, then it shouldn't be a problem getting them elected. So, that a people wants to keep their monarchy isn't a reason to keep the monarchy at all, in fact its a good reason to abolish it.

[Incongruous]

I said it before, but I'll happily say it again:

If the people loves their king so much, the solution is obvious to us living in a democracy: ELECT HIM!

The lack of hereditary rule is one of the top reasons why democracy is better than other systems. In a democracy, people come to power because of their abilities. If the King/Queen is so loved, then it shouldn't be a problem getting them elected. So, that a people wants to keep their monarchy isn't a reason to keep the monarchy at all, in fact its a good reason to abolish it.

Oh dear, lack of understanding about what love for monarchy means I think. Also a lack of understanding about the U.K's government, we do get to vote in a Parliament y'know?

[lenin96]

Oh dear, lack of understanding about what love for monarchy means I think. Also a lack of understanding about the U.K's government, we do get to vote in a Parliament y'know?

But you don't vote for your monarch.

[Furunculus]

But you don't vote for your monarch.

Is that a problem if no better form of governance exists?

[lenin96]

Is that a problem if no better form of governance exists?

There are many better forms of governments. A goverment that has the potential to let an idiot become a leader has a problem, whether there is no better goverment or not. Such a major problem has to be fixed. Why not have a republic (Not necessarily reffering to Democracy).

Correct, that is why it is a monarchy...

But why have a monarchy then?

[HoreTore]

Oh dear, lack of understanding about what love for monarchy means I think. Also a lack of understanding about the U.K's government, we do get to vote in a Parliament y'know?

So.... In other words, you favour forcing your own will upon the rest of us. Nobody but you should have a say in your system. Nice.

[Furunculus]

speaking as a brit to a norwegian; no you shouldn't.

you can comment, but to have a say is to imply to have some effect of change.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

So.... In other words, you favour forcing your own will upon the rest of us. Nobody but you should have a say in your system. Nice.

That's the essence of the state - forcing your will on others. Autocrats and democrats alike follow that model.

[Incongruous]

So.... In other words, you favour forcing your own will upon the rest of us. Nobody but you should have a say in your system. Nice.

WTF?
What do you not understand about the popularity of our monarchy and the structure of constitutional monarchy?

No crap we don;t get a vote in terms of who is monarch! It is a monarchy! Stop acting as if you cannot comprehend any other form of government which does not require people to vote in a bunch of idiots into parliament.

But you don't vote for your monarch.

Correct, that is why it is a monarchy...

[HoreTore]

speaking as a brit to a norwegian; no you shouldn't.

you can comment, but to have a say is to imply to have some effect of change.

Uhm.... I'm pretty sure everyone else understood that I didn't mean myself when I said "the rest of us", it should be blindingly obvious that I was referring to the general population.

That's the essence of the state - forcing your will on others. Autocrats and democrats alike follow that model.

Not quite. In a democracy, you get to choose who's enforcing their will. Having someone in charge without electing them is the direct opposite of what a democracy is.

WTF?
What do you not understand about the popularity of our monarchy and the structure of constitutional monarchy?

If he's so popular, then a vote shouldn't change a thing. So, I honestly can't understand why a vote will hurt. If he's popular, nothing changes. If he's not, well, what happens then is the will of the people, and that's what democracy is all about, right?

@InsaneApache: we do the same thing in our military. I'll happily swap sides as I please, however, no way am I going to fight and die for an inbred dolt I don't agree with...