Kyrene - A case for a new Faction

[Jolt]

Expanding West up to modern Tunisia would also make sense to be implemented in the victory conditions.

[Megas Methuselah]

Expanding West up to modern Tunisia would also make sense to be implemented in the victory conditions.

Would it?

[Ibrahim]

My god!

never mind. interesting-there were people depicted with horns on them-what's up with that?

[Megas Methuselah]

Alexander with horns of Zeus-Ammon, Grain Symbol for wealth of Kyrene.


Better coin of Alexander with horns of Zeus-Ammon.

[Phalanx300]

I think we could better settle with a god then with a general . And Zeus Ammon, especially on the last coin looks quite good.


Anyways, I updated the victory conditions. I think that some coastline of Asia Minor would also be in order with Syria as well? Together with some more Carthage coastline with Magna Greacia as well. (+ Rhodes)

[MButcher]

As far as victory conditions, I think that conquering as far west as Carthage is unrealistic.

I agree that Egypt should be in there and it's starting possessions, because of Kyrene's dealings with the Ptolemaioi.

As for the west, Lepki would be believable because of the contest that the two cities had over territories (that running match that's in Lepki's biography).

[Phalanx300]

As far as victory conditions, I think that conquering as far west as Carthage is unrealistic.

I agree that Egypt should be in there and it's starting possessions, because of Kyrene's dealings with the Ptolemaioi.

As for the west, Lepki would be believable because of the contest that the two cities had over territories (that running match that's in Lepki's biography).

Well Pontos also has to capture many miles inland of Tracian and Dacian land, which also isn´t really realistic.

Carthage is right next to them so it would be quite logical of them to expand that way. See the expansion of the Romans, they conquered all ways but not with Rome being a border city, a center city.

[Jolt]

Would it?

Geographically close, connected by land, plus with the fact that Libyans also had made part of Tunisia.

[Cyclops]

My first thought was "meh, show me the Mauryans" but thats my first thought on any given day. On reflection Kyrene was a serious local player, with an expansionist hellenistic leader, and its definitely consistent with factions like KH and Hai as something that could be big.

If factions could revive (oh please yes) then even though they might be conquered easily they would make a nice rebel threat to the Ptolemies (or the Hai, once I lead my armoured horsemen down the Levant to conquer the Nile).

Would it?

IIRC there's a wonder in the province west of Kyrene which is the tomb of two brothers (etc etc...) that suggests that Poeni and Hellenes had entered into serious negotiations as to who owned that strip of land. I think thats a reasonable basis for giving them at least one VC province to their west.

Maybe Kyrene could be interested in islands as well?

[Hax]

My main problem is, how would Kyrene's gameplay really differ from Ptolemaioi/Koinon Hellenon play?

[Phalanx300]

We could say the same of Pergamon and Pontos. Its definatelly a whole other experience down there!

[Krusader]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, as the presenation is good.

However, take this into consideration. There are currently 22 factions revealed and there will be 30 factions.

Epeiros
Makedonia
Koinon Hellenon
Ptolemaioi
Pergamon
Pontos
Arche Seleukeia
Baktria

...these 8 factions are all Hellenistic, out of a grand total of 30 factions. Meaning almost 30% or over a quarter of our factions are Hellenistic, so that is a counterargument too. While the Greeks rightfully should have most factions at this time period, EB wants to give all cultures "an equal chance in the spotlight".

And to clarify...there are 8 factions still not revealed. There is a chance 1 or more of them can be Hellenistic factions as well, so no need to ask that question.

[Hax]

We could say the same of Pergamon and Pontos. Its definatelly a whole other experience down there!

Pergamon and Pontos both would have access to large variety of Greek, Thracian and Galatian troops. Kyrene would have the Greek hoplites combined with what? Nubian infantry? Machimoi? Garamantines? There is little variety in the south, compared with Asia Minor and Thrace.

Pontos is not Hellenic. It is philhellenic, yes, but they are still a Persianide kingdom.

[athanaric]

However, take this into consideration. There are currently 22 factions revealed and there will be 30 factions.

Call me stupid, but what is the 22nd faction? Is it the Eleutheroi?


Btw, I enjoyed this presentation. I dunno though if it would be necessary for Kyrene to conquer Qart-Hadast and Atiqa. Were they really that aggressive in westward expansion?