Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Beskar]

Seamus, you voted for a dead guy.

[ajaxfetish]

And Seamus joins GH in voting for the newly dead. This is going beyond a trend. It's becoming a way of life.

Ajax

[Rhyfelwyr]

Vote:Wishazu

For not reading all the evidence against me.

[glyphz]

Vote: Kukrikhan

BG's suspicions plus a sense of your posts that is off. You're the only one trying to scream "it's the endgame" already -- and it strikes me that you are trying to elicit some desperation.

Your math is off, by the way. We can rapidly dispatch players we suspect of being anti-town by a)lynching and b) duels with Count Arach suggesting a challenger for any suspect. CA's data will make selecting a good champion relatively easy.

KukriKhan died already, rather unexpectedly...
Had expected the killers to comb through Banquo's list of innocents, and hopefully a night or 2... but, man... tough luck.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Is this town having a laff?


Half of the players that are voted for are either dead or are on the innocent list. Well...'innocent list'...'dead men walking'-list seems more appropriate. Those that haven't been attacked last night by the ninjas are quickly being killed by the town.

Beskar (though I seriously consider another challenge on him)

Challenge Generalhankerchief

Done

Challenge: Beskar

I am sure of the innocence and loyalty of the following men still alive:


Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Tristan de Castelreng
glyphz
Gobbledegook

[GeneralHankerchief]

I wonder if Banquo passed on his PMs to anybody before he died. CA, perhaps?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Too many posts, too much skimming. Didn't read the last para of the summary properly.

Unvote: Kukrikhan, Vote: Abstain

Stephen Asen, you level a case against Kagemusha -- clear enough. I don't see much of a style difference from him though, between this and other games. More thoughts?

[KukriKhan]

Had I known I'd be this popular dead, I'd have fallen on my katana long ago.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Let's hope Banquo has a few more names for us. CountArach has been missing for a few days, it seems. He hasn't even told us whether Rhyfelwyr send in his duel rating or not.

Maybe, with the rather high chance of an innocent about to be killed in a duel, some good samurai swordsmen could challenge a few suspects? Just to lower the odds of a confirmed innocent having to partake involuntarily in a duel?


I'm still in the dark as to who is scum. Haven't been active behind the scenes. I do have got a little theory: both Quintus and Kukri have send in their duel rating to CA. According to CA's latest information, these people did not:
Peasant Phill
taka
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Tristan de Castelreng

Assuming that all the ninjas did send in their ratings, they should be on this list of players:

FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White Eyes :D
Peasant Phill
Psychonaut
Taka
Rhyfelwyr
Atheotes
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Woad&fangs
Ajaxfetish
Dutch Guy
Yaropolk

Worthy of note is that Quintus has made a challenge. (Against Beskar). Ninjas apparantly can engage in a duel without too much risk. This means that at least Quintus had a good duel rating. Maube the others too. Possibly, if a duel leads to an unlikely win, according to CA's statistics, we could be dealing with ninja.

[Gregoshi]

My Laptop battery malfing and failing to take a charge left me without internet access. Here at home, I have options.

Didn't your hotel have electrical outlets? I hate when that happens.

[Gregoshi]

Is this town having a laff?

...Those that haven't been attacked last night by the ninjas are quickly being killed by the town.

Indeed. The duel appears to be a disaster for us simply because the challenge cannot be withdrawn and rashness on the part of players without open discussion before issuing their challenges.

[Louis VI the Fat]

The ninjas are clever. By attacking two names from the list, they increased the chance of the town lynching an innocent today. Not, however, as clever as they may had hoped: by their very act of attacking both BQ and two names from the list, the ninjas showed to all that BQ's reveal was genuine.

There would've been attacks on innocents anyway. Making last night's ninja actions a net plus for the town: we would've lost to kills anyway, but now we know the list to be genuine.

Furthermore, I think it was a good idea to make the list public. The scum by definition knew who was innocent, whereas we did not. Pity that BQ couldn't be protected.


In the absense of anything remotely resembling a case, maybe Wishazu would make a decent lynch target.

Possibly he wasn't paying close attention when he both voted Beskar and challenged GH, both innocent. Possibly, he was. However that may be, lynching him will prevent his duel with innocent GeneralHankerchief.

But, that will leave GH v Beskar as today's sole challenge. Innocent v innocent. So lynching Wishazu is only sensible when there are other challenges around - lest we be sure that an innocent will die in a duel. I would propose some challenges on possible suspects today. Currently, of the four dueling players, three are innocent. So if you have always wanted to make a challenge, today would be the right time methinks.

[KukriKhan]

Indeed. The duel appears to be a disaster for us simply because the challenge cannot be withdrawn and rashness on the part of players without open discussion before issuing their challenges.

True. But in the early stages of a 60-player game, town can afford the luxury of indulging townies, frustrated at having no active role, venting and taking a random shot at scoring a hit. Thus, it's popularity. Waiting 24+ hours for night phases to complete, when you're playing ETW, studying for exams, playing 3 or 4 mafia games... can be challenging for a player.

But at this stage, it can get expensive, in terms of needless townie deaths.

With an unkillable town-boss (CountArach), I would think that right about now potential duellers would ask his permission to duel, and await approval, to avoid thinning the ranks.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think atheotes and yarapolk should challenge each other.

Peasant phill needs to die too.

[Gregoshi]

According to CA's latest information, these people did not:
Peasant Phill
taka
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Tristan de Castelreng

Assuming that all the ninjas did send in their ratings, they should be on this list of players:

FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White Eyes :D
Peasant Phill
Psychonaut
Taka
Rhyfelwyr
Atheotes
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Woad&fangs
Ajaxfetish
Dutch Guy
Yaropolk

To correct this list, Kage did send in a battle rating (link) and Tristan was WoGed due to withdrawing from the game. Rhyfelwyr made a plea to CA twice to confirm that he had sent in his battle rating. CA never replied, but then, CA has not posted in this thread since Rhyfelwyr's pleas.

[KukriKhan]

To correct this list, Kage did send in a battle rating (link) and Tristan was WoGed due to withdrawing from the game. Rhyfelwyr made a plea to CA twice to confirm that he had sent in his battle rating. CA never replied, but then, CA has not posted in this thread since Rhyfelwyr's pleas.

Therefore PeasantPhil and taka make pretty good lynch candidates.

Town (that is: you living guys) have at 'em.

Phil and taka: explain yourselves. Non-compliance will probably get you killed soon.

-edit-
Thanks, Gregoshi for massaging the list.

[Gregoshi]

True. But in the early stages of a 60-player game, town can afford the luxury of indulging townies...

But we've given the ninjas/traitors one full nights worth of kills for a 10% chance of getting lucky vs a 10% chance risk of killing a special role townie? Seems like a poor trade off especially in light of losing both geisha's early and one of our better duelists via luck.

But this is a non-constructive discussion to the task at hand. Sorry.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unfortunately, I don't think we can leave any innocent names off the list, although we can ignore them for a while. There's too many games that have ended in mafia victories because of subtle changes in wording on Detective investigations. Unless Banquo passed the exact PMs onto CA before he died, then I'm going to play it safe. In addition, Reenk strongly hinted that Beskar had a role of some kind, and I don't think that Reenk would be bluffing to us in this kind of game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm, ok I believe this is the best stategy. CA seems absent and the town needs some direction.

Sasaki Kojiro

Takeda Shingen – The Tiger of Kai

Konishiwa, Shingen-sama,


You are the REAL Takeda Shingen. The man leading the samurai during the day is one of your top generals, Tada Mitsuyori (CountArach), who serves as your Kagemusha.

To the public, your identity will remain hidden and you will pretend like you are one of the veteran samurai.

Your disguise if very convincing:

Sasaki Kojiro

Hamano Michiyo – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Hamano-san

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

You are allowed to contact the Kagemusha, and his bodyguards as well through pm.

The bodyguards are:



- Husar (Miyamoto Musashi);
- Gobbledygook (Yamamoto Kansuke)
- glyphz (Kago Junichiro)

SNIPPED

Battle rating : 5

Abilities:


SNIPPED

Victory conditions:
Major victory : outlast the ninja and the traitors – you survive;
Minor victory: outlast the ninja and the traitors

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

So, your lords orders for today:

Lynch Yarapolk

I think I'm voting Atheotes so: unvote:Atheotes,vote:Yarapolk

Peasant phill: challenge atheotes
atheotes: challenge peasant phill

no other challenges.

There are some other people we need to get to...but not today.

[GeneralHankerchief]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

[GeneralHankerchief]

I suppose Husar, Gobbledeygook, and glyphz aren't allowed to confirm, and I don't want any of the others to reveal just for this. How in contact have you and CA been? Whose idea was it to try to get everybody's battle rating?

Also, have you considered the possibility of a swordmaster being the traitor? There was definitely a similar mechanic in Midgard II.

[TinCow]

Oh, please. That's obviously fake simply because Sasaki left in the name of a living 'bodyguard'. He's not that foolish.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Why would he fake it at this time? Having been "cleared" by Banquo, who was seemingly killed by the ninjas (down to stabbing the "eye" as a detective calling card) and whose reveal I believe, Sasaki would be labelling himself as the Godfather of the ninjas (innocent result leaves only this choice). Even if he pulled it off for a while, he would eventually get lynched and lose the whole shebang.

Do you think Sasaki would rely on WIFOM for this many rounds as his only defense when he's ALREADY wandering around with an innocent result?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Seamus

Sorry man, but you gave yourself away with this:

down to stabbing the "eye" as a detective calling card

I'm going over the alive people thinking of who would do something like that, and you stand out far and away.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Seamus is my top suspect from the "innocent" list...not sure it's the best strategy to go after them just yet though.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As far as I'm concerned, we have at least guilty person hiding on our innocent list. With CA pulling a JimBob, we can't unfortunately end this now as we don't know what Banquo's PMs exactly said.

[CountArach]

Alright sorry everyone for my complete absence from the game for the last 4-5 days. Things just keep building up on me and I've been incredibly busy (And drunk...). I will try to get through as much of the thread as I can tonight (Though I have a Latin assessment due tomorrow that was brought forward... and I haven't started) and try to comment on something... anything...

[Beskar]

Wait, what? So we have an innocent list and two people on it who are innocent are saying it is fake?

This is not making much sense, then again, you have... very mistaken people keep on trying to vote and duel me, after I been proven to innocent.

There are words I want to say about each and everyone of you during this game at times, really.

[Csargo]

Vote:Psyconaut

He's posted elsewhere but not here, so he gets my vote for now since Beskar was investigated. GH why did you vote Seamus? Why do you want to lynch Yaropolic Sasaki?