And yet Britain became so much wealthier, including a vast number of the working-class who became middle-class as a result of her policies............Originally Posted by Che Roriniho
Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
And yet Britain became so much wealthier, including a vast number of the working-class who became middle-class as a result of her policies............
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Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
Yeh, and so many Ghettoised poor people. It's because of her stupid, stupid idea of selling council houses that we have such a problem with crime culture. The better off poor buyedd up houses on the better estates, forcing all the really poor together, which as history tells us time and time again, IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. Mmmkay?
Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
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Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
So, are you saying that the larger estates somehow worked?
The policy that council houses could be continued down the generations was a good idea?
Placing all poor together might not be a great idea. So, what is a good idea? Placed in an area, prices drop as it is less desirable.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
Yeh, they did work. You got assigned a house (obviously you paid for it, but it wasn't yours) that suited your needs, and you lived there. You were surrounded by people who were of a wide range of social standing (within lmits, obviously.). House prices had jack all to do with it, as there weren't houses to buy on the estates. Only when her Margesty came along and decided it would be a good idea to start flogging them off did the faecal matter hit the rotational cooling device. This happened because, as I said, the richer tennents obviously bought the houses on the nicest estates, leaving the poor with the shoddy ones, leading too... you guessed it: GHETTOS.So, are you saying that the larger estates somehow worked?
The policy that council houses could be continued down the generations was a good idea?
Placing all poor together might not be a great idea. So, what is a good idea? Placed in an area, prices drop as it is less desirable.
Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
'Tis true, and a widely accepted fact as well. Mrs. Thatcher did not know the meaning of social responsibility. Next time someone feels like arguing about the problems of benefit culture, remember the woman you have to thank.
I'm glad you got out IA, but you were one of a small majority. The fact is that when the better off tenants left then the social problems shot up on the estates, leading to much greater inequality.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
So, a large ghetto with lots of people in it became a smaller ghetto with less people in it? The really dyed in the wool ones who couldn't or wouldn't change?
Ooooh, TERRIBLE. Better yet, if all housing is owned by the state we can ensure that we all have the same... Hmm, that concept sounds somewhat familiar... You can polish a turd alll you like, it's still a turd.
I think that the social housing that is being made at the moment is far better. It mixes more than the old ones did (teachers / nurses / policemen are included), can be part bought and part rented and are often small developments.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
No, the ultra poor used to be spread about fairly evenly, which stopped when old Ball-Crusher decided to sell all of the nice houses, leaving the shitty houses for the ultra-poor. And seeing as crud houses tended to be on the same estates, this caused ghettos.So, a large ghetto with lots of people in it became a smaller ghetto with less people in it? The really dyed in the wool ones who couldn't or wouldn't change?
Ooooh, TERRIBLE. Better yet, if all housing is owned by the state we can ensure that we all have the same... Hmm, that concept sounds somewhat familiar... You can polish a turd alll you like, it's still a turd.
I think that the social housing that is being made at the moment is far better. It mixes more than the old ones did (teachers / nurses / policemen are included), can be part bought and part rented and are often small developments.
Basically, Thatcher is ultimately responsible for the deaths from ghetto culture in recent years, as it is her legacy which borne it.
Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
The world is full of ghettos. Mayfair is a ghetto - a rich ghetto, and one that I'd love to live in although I'll never manage to afford to live there.
I'm sorry, but living in a bad house doesn't force you into crime / drugs / killings. These decisions are all taken by the individuals concerned. These areas were OK at some point. The middle class people didn't come and do drugs in the communal areas / graffiti the walls and ruin the place. Generally it is the people that live there that trash it. I imagine the attitude is it's not theirs so why look after it?
You can blame thatcher for killing off the grammer schools / reducing assisted places or for inadequately policing these areas but at the end of the day the people on the estates are in control of their own destiny. The schools are still free, the houses are still subsidised. No, they could all not become millionaires but they still have options that are not available in other parts of the world
Immigrants often come to these shores will far less and work hard to achieve - probably as they managed to get here they have the mindset to work hard.
And again, blaming someone who'se been out of office for over a decade is grasping at straws. Labour had ample time to sort this out if they'd wanted to.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
It was the changes in the tax burden which lead to declining social mobility , ass evidenced by those countries that appear bottom in the survey.. Was it thatcher that achieved that, or declining educational standards since the fifties?
So you would like figures that showed growth was bigger than before she took office , then declined under her, then went into negative growth then had a short rally with the credit fuelled boom before declining again and then going back into negative growth before coming back to a figure that was on par with before she got in office ?2. Really, GDP per-capita has for the last 15 years at least been higher than france, and nominal GDP was higher despite have a smaller population which represents a big change from the seventies sick man of europe, so i'd love to see figures for that claim.
Have you ever thought of looking them up ?
Errrr...she sold the idea that the industries were getting too much subsidy which was a burden to the taxpayer , the same industries got more in subsidies after they were sold than they did before which is more of a burden to the taxpayer3. as opposed to endlessly subsiding state-owned industries....................... if there are less state owned industries are we really surprised that more private business might have got subsidies?
Selling valuable assets for a fraction of their real value is basic robbery.Its amazing how many foriegn state owned companies jumped at the chance at the British bargain basement sale.4. its called letting go of failing state owned businesses that the nation had no business owning in the first place.
Yes and you still havn't the faintest idea what you are on about.5. we differ on this, and argued it elsewhere
Errrr ...deregulation of the financial sector not at Thatchers door ?????6. most of britains internal problems stem from poor/loose banking regulation, which is not something that can be laid at thatchers door.All of Nu-labours(thatcherite) draconian laws are built on those introduced under thatcher.7. you might want to specify those, but either way i'm kind of doubtful they compare in magnitude to that accomplished by nu-labour.
Changing fundamental safeguards for the accountabilty of the government and its agencies to the people is a bloody big problem .8. does it really, and while unfortunate if true if this really among the biggest problems facing britain?
Crazy murdering dictators are crazy murdering dictators.9. crazy murdering dictators who provided vital assistance in a war we might not otherwise have won?
With her policy of screwing the islanders before the invasion.10. how did thatcher cause the falklands, really? by withdrawing the south atlantic patrol ship, or was it more because of 20 years of FCO procrastinating on the issue of talks with argentina regarding the future status of the falklands?
Yeah right12. it was a harmless statement made in private
Re: Margaret Thatcher: Thirty years on
No no, Tribesman. When the crazy murdering dictator is on our side, he/she/it becomes a crazy, murdering dictator we apologize for and helps in his crazy murders, as well as covering his behind. So you see, there's a very clear difference between the two
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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