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    Quote Originally Posted by geala View Post
    So no need to change the name for the Osning again or move the ugly nationalistic 19th-century "Hermannsdenkmal" (monument for Arminius).
    you are right, probably it could be seen as memorial instead of a monument.
    Quote Originally Posted by geala View Post
    Of course the Kalkriese findings had a great commercial impact to the region. But regional influence onto the scientific szene in Germany is not so huge that this would force all people to support Kalkriese as the place of the battle. It is not proved that Kalkriese has to do with Varus defeat but it is in my opinion far more probable than the other explanations. By now, that can change of course.
    best is that a lot of peopel think about this time and remember history.

    the particular Celtic fondness of head-hunting aside, the practice is very common to Indo-European culture: SEE Scythians who use their enemies' heads as cups.
    ok, so this could be a spiritual / religious thing in indoeuropean culture right? (and possible deterrence)

    also interessting, the continuing development of language. i don´t know that ton is related with dunum.

    yep - the Cherusci are thought to be named after the Germanic word for 'sword' and they are in a Celto-Germanic zone of trade and influence, thus they indeed wield Celtic longswords, while somewhat too numerous an aggregation for a proper portrayal, a lack of would be equally innaccurate.
    Ahh, thanks for this info. that answer my question

    Sounds like Mr Friebe is some kind of relative of Guido Knopp


    The only thing I have read on Rainer Friebe comes from the forum "Roman Army Talk". This is what one person said of him:
    "As to Schoppe I dont know about him, but his website reminded me of the *very special* Friebe forum - which for entertainment I absolutely suggest for german readers".
    net-twitter, i don´t give bug.

    Does Freibe mention the other classical authors such as Tacitus, Pliny, Livy, etc. which call the Cherusci and the Chauci Germanic?
    yes, friebe says (and our world history is full of this) that all peopel in history like romans, often generalize there enemys. they are barbarian galli, germanic or whatever. romans divided this groups arbitrarily into left and right sight of the rhine.

    Does he come up with a reason for the tribal names being Germanic (Chauci-hauhoz), (Cherusci-herut(Much)) as well as their leaders names?
    no, but he didn´t say that the cherusci are pure celts (that was my topic - to intensify a little bit). he said they have a celtic orgin and thinking. so the time between the celtic hallstatt migrations and 9 ad is big enough to melt this culture (if you assume that they have a celtic aspect). i personally see no problem in it. best example are the polish immigrants in germany in the early 20th. a lot of -ski´s, -row´s names are today "normal" german surname.

    Does Freibe go into the archeological record and explain how the items found belong to the North Sea group?
    yes, he did (by the way he is an architect). 40% of the book are about it.

    i don´t want to defend friebe as an infallible historian. the book is interessting and it has got many unusual aspects, but if an author develops a theory, why should i dogmatise his opinions?

    thats why i ask in this forum about the cherusci sword unit
    Last edited by Tartaros; 05-13-2009 at 21:35.

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