Twenty years after the wall

[Rhyfelwyr]

No, I did not. Rightwing revolutions (such as the Hungarian and American revolutions) were revolutions against governments, NOT people. You are trying to say that Hitler's attack against Jews, Slavs, etc was characteristic of the rightwing...it was not. Leftwing ideology, both today and in the recent past is inherently anti-religious, so what Stalin did you could say IS characteristic of the left, simply a more extreme form of it. There is nothing about rightwing ideology that is anti-race/culture/etc. Nationalism is NOT the same as racism or culturalism (two things that the Nazis were). And Nationalism is something that exists in the left and the right. It is more a thing of people than of a political affiliation.

If you are left-wing then you view nationalism as one of those "opium of the people", something that distracts people from the real issue of class struggle. The right does not have this international focus, but instead believes that nation states should be sovereign and independent, as people are united by cultural, ethnic, whatever ties.

The lefts flings with nationalism are due to the fact that the left never came about the way Marx expected. It's no coincidence that Marxism went down well with the nations that had suffered under colonialism, to them it explained the west's dominance over them. They were never ready for the international version of Marxism, they never even had a real bourgeoisie. And so communism was conflated with several other issues, and racial divides obviously got sucked into the mix.

Often, right-wing social outlooks lead to left-wing economic policies. If you are a Nazi that believes Aryans are the master race, then obviously you want to ensure every Aryan has a job, a good house, and decent standard of living etc.. and there you go you have a welfare state. That's why there is a point at which the more right-wing a government's social outlook becomes, the more left-wing its economy becomes.

[Vuk]

If you are left-wing then you view nationalism as one of those "opium of the people", something that distracts people from the real issue of class struggle. The right does not have this international focus, but instead believes that nation states should be sovereign and independent, as people are united by cultural, ethnic, whatever ties.

The lefts flings with nationalism are due to the fact that the left never came about the way Marx expected. It's no coincidence that Marxism went down well with the nations that had suffered under colonialism, to them it explained the west's dominance over them. They were never ready for the international version of Marxism, they never even had a real bourgeoisie. And so communism was conflated with several other issues, and racial divides obviously got sucked into the mix.

Often, right-wing social outlooks lead to left-wing economic policies. If you are a Nazi that believes Aryans are the master race, then obviously you want to ensure every Aryan has a job, a good house, and decent standard of living etc.. and there you go you have a welfare state. That's why there is a point at which the more right-wing a government's social outlook becomes, the more left-wing its economy becomes.

lol, you are wrong again. Nationalism is something that plagues both sides. The right cares about individual freedoms, and a nation that protects them is necassary. The left cares about social welfare, and a nation that will take and distribute wealth is necassary. Nationalism is not a thing of the right, and is not a thing of the left. It is simply a thing of humans.

As far as your argument about rightwing social policies leading to leftwing economic policies, it makes me laugh. It looks to me like you are trying to place the blame of a leftwing government on 'rightwing social policies' (in fact, you are). Here is news for you, rightwing social policies drive rightwing governments, and leftwing social policies drive leftwing governments. Great for you to brand Nazi ideology of a superrace as rightwing. As I said before, it is neither right nor left, it is simply madness. What IS leftwing though is the government and society that these nuts believed in (which is nut to say that it reflects on other leftists, simply that they chose the leftwing policies because it gave them control). Nazis are not proof that the left hates Jews, but it is proof that leftist policies can lead to dangerous government control. When you concentrate power like that, you are at the mercy of whoever is at the wheel. (Bad luck for Germany and Russia, they got Hitler and Stalin)