The Obssession with Homosexuality

[Rhyfelwyr]

Gay marriage increases the stability of the environment that kids need to grow up in. Hence, gay marriage is all about making human reproduction possible.

It's one thing for gay people to be able to do what they want in their own homes but to bring children into the equation just so they can have equal rights is competely unfair on the child.

[rasoforos]

It's one thing for gay people to be able to do what they want in their own homes but to bring children into the equation just so they can have equal rights is competely unfair on the child.

Who are we to judge who is to bring children to the world or not?

Take a look on how many well meaning educated people were leading sterilisation programs in the past century (no it wasn't only the Nazis). Do not even think of using this as an argument.

For example for an atheist like me, religious people flooding a toddler's mind with propaganda and superstitions is atrocious. I sometimes feel that is shouldn't be allowed. But I know better than to judge...

It does not really matter if a child has a mom and a dad, or just one parent or parents of the same sex. I have seen enough heterosexual parents literaly destroy their children and leading them to a life of problems, to know better. I would prefer two dads than two for parents any day (not that it means that my parents were not fine), at least I d have a sense of fashion and style which I unfortunately lack.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's one thing for people of different races to be able to do what they want in their own homes but to bring children into the equation just so they can have equal rights is completely unfair on the child.

Don't you realize how confusing it is for a child to have bi-racial parents? Daddy's white, Mommy is black... all the kids at school make fun of the fact that the child isn't really white, isn't really black and call the child offensive names. Well it's just a shame and perhaps it is irresponsible for white and black people to have children together, but it's perfectly acceptable for Irish and Italian people to have children together, or Swedish and Spanish people to have children together. I draw the line at Asians and Caucasians, though. That's too different.



Are you saying it's not difficult to be the child of that family with 18 kids? Surely that's normal enough. Heck, religion even encourages it. Or how about being a child of those parents who fight all the time? That's perfectly natural. As long as the parents are male and female, we're all set. And if Daddy comes home drunk and passes out on the couch, that's still better than if he were one of those icky gays, because everyone knows gay is wrong and gays don't love their children like people do. And they are godless sinners, it says so in the Bible... somewhere in Leviticus along with the bit about the shellfish and not sleeping with your cousins.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ooops we had better get on the phone and call some of our friends from (insert stereotypical "redneck" state here) because apparently they didn't get the memo about that even though they go to church all the time. And they used the argument that it was no one else's business, too. How ironic.

[Vuk]

Are you saying it's not difficult to be the child of that family with 18 kids? Surely that's normal enough. Heck, religion even encourages it. Or how about being a child of those parents who fight all the time? That's perfectly natural. As long as the parents are male and female, we're all set. And if Daddy comes home drunk and passes out on the couch, that's still better than if he were one of those icky gays, because everyone knows gay is wrong and gays don't love their children like people do. And they are godless sinners, it says so in the Bible... somewhere in Leviticus along with the bit about the shellfish and not sleeping with your cousins.

My ma was from a family of 16 kids. She has only fond memories of her childhood. And yes ATPG, are you now going to tell us why it is good to sleep with your cousins? That is something that BIOLOGY is against. Doing can often result in extreme physical and mental disorders. You wonder why the European ruling class was so up through many periods of history? They were a bunch of inbred . Drrn that nasty old Bible for condemning incest. Boy, good thing we modern people know so much more. *rolls eyes*

[Rhyfelwyr]

So you don't think parents should teach their children anything. My dad said to me when I was about 7 or 8 that God didn't exist, rather blunt. Should he have been allowed to do this?

Anyway, just because heterosexual parents can be bad doesn't mean having two same-sex parents will be good for a child. If it's bad, the state can step in.

I remember watching a documentary recently on some couples trying to get children to adopt, and the process of being accepted as suitable parents is absolutedly brutal. If there's an issue with too many children being raised by the state, then maybe they need to make the rules a bit less tight, if they did there would be plenty of heterosexual couples which I think most people would accept are better for a child.

[Andres]

It's one thing for gay people to be able to do what they want in their own homes but to bring children into the equation just so they can have equal rights is competely unfair on the child.

Why would it be wrong to have a child raised by two gay people? Please, enlighten me.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Why would it be wrong to have a child raised by two gay people? Please, enlighten me.

Being raised by a heterosexual couple has been the standard evolutionary/God given way for the whole of human history. If you think this biological design is no longer relevant, you have to prove it, and why the alternative is acceptable.

[Andres]

Being raised by a heterosexual couple has been the standard evolutionary/God given way for the whole of human history. If you think this biological design is no longer relevant, you have to prove it, and why the alternative is acceptable.

Adoption is organised by law, not by relgion or biology.

Not allowing gays to adopt a child together is unequal treatment, since straight couples are allowed to adopt. As I said earlier in this thread, unequal treatment needs to be justified.

What is your justification for the unequal treatment?

Gays can love children. Gays can change diapers. Gays can work and provide for their family. Gays can read their children stories. Gays can visit the zoo with their children. Gays can raise and educate children, just like any other person. Gays are just like you and me. I don't see a reason or justification for the unequal treatment.

Enlighten me.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Adoption is organised by law, not by relgion or biology.

Not allowing gays to adopt a child together is unequal treatment, since straight couples are allowed to adopt. As I said earlier in this thread, unequal treatment needs to be justified.

What is your justification for the unequal treatment?

Gays can love children. Gays can change diapers. Gays can work and provide for their family. Gays can read their children stories. Gays can visit the zoo with their children. Gays can raise and educate children, just like any other person. Gays are just like you and me. I don't see a reason or justification for the unequal treatment.

Enlighten me.

They are unequal because nature didn't make them equal. We can give them human rights and all, but we can't pretend they have the same biological function as everyone else, when they clearly don't. If you want children to be raised in anything besides a natural family, you have to justify it. This isn't an issue of having the right to your private life, because now there's other people being brought into the equation. You have to state your case if you think it's fair on them.

[Kralizec]

They are unequal because nature didn't make them equal. We can give them human rights and all, but we can't pretend they have the same biological function as everyone else, when they clearly don't. If you want children to be raised in anything besides a natural family, you have to justify it. This isn't an issue of having the right to your private life, because now there's other people being brought into the equation. You have to state your case if you think it's fair on them.

Strictly speaking, it isn't natural. And that means precisely nothing, because being unnatural does not necessarily equal being "bad" in anyway.

If you think that being raised by a same sex couple is bad for a child's (mental) health, you'll have to prove this because it certainly is not self-evident.

[Vuk]

Strictly speaking, it isn't natural. And that means precisely nothing, because being unnatural does not necessarily equal being "bad" in anyway.

If you think that being raised by a same sex couple is bad for a child's (mental) health, you'll have to prove this because it certainly is not self-evident.

There actually are studies I have read that have shown that both a male and female parent are needed for your child's best potential emotional and mental growth. That is why children from single parents and gay couples actually DO have more emotional problems then those raised in a family of a straight man and a straight woman. I read those several years back actually, and I am not sure if there has been anything more recent on it. I will try to search for it for you.


(and yes, social stigma was suggested in the study as a possible explanation for the lower emotional stability of children raised by gay couples. It is more likely I think though that it is a mixture of both, as other studies have shown the importance of a male and female figure for a child to grow up understanding the emotions of both better.)

[Viking]

Strictly speaking, it isn't natural. [...]

If it is unnatural, then humans must be above nature. I suppose you would say that the first humans who ended the nomadic life were doing something unnatural; i.e. doing something else than the "tradition"? Was every new "specie" that evolved; every new human behaviour (cooked meat rather than raw meat, farmers rather than nomads, cities rather than farms, cars rather than walking) unnatural in the beginning, and eventually got natural? What is natural?

One can live in a city and long for nature. But if cities do not count as "nature", do ant-hills?

[HoreTore]

It's one thing for people of different races to be able to do what they want in their own homes but to bring children into the equation just so they can have equal rights is completely unfair on the child.

Don't you realize how confusing it is for a child to have bi-racial parents? Daddy's white, Mommy is black... all the kids at school make fun of the fact that the child isn't really white, isn't really black and call the child offensive names. Well it's just a shame and perhaps it is irresponsible for white and black people to have children together, but it's perfectly acceptable for Irish and Italian people to have children together, or Swedish and Spanish people to have children together. I draw the line at Asians and Caucasians, though. That's too different.



Are you saying it's not difficult to be the child of that family with 18 kids? Surely that's normal enough. Heck, religion even encourages it. Or how about being a child of those parents who fight all the time? That's perfectly natural. As long as the parents are male and female, we're all set. And if Daddy comes home drunk and passes out on the couch, that's still better than if he were one of those icky gays, because everyone knows gay is wrong and gays don't love their children like people do. And they are godless sinners, it says so in the Bible... somewhere in Leviticus along with the bit about the shellfish and not sleeping with your cousins.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ooops we had better get on the phone and call some of our friends from (insert stereotypical "redneck" state here) because apparently they didn't get the memo about that even though they go to church all the time. And they used the argument that it was no one else's business, too. How ironic.

Post of the month.

Being raised by a heterosexual couple has been the standard evolutionary/God given way for the whole of human history. If you think this biological design is no longer relevant, you have to prove it, and why the alternative is acceptable.

Irrelevant, since gays are perfectly capable of making their own babies, all it takes is one sloppy one night stand and a needle to puncture the condom.

Your choice is simply between making life comfortable for the children who are being raised in gay families, and making life worse for them.

Get rid of the delusion that you can stop people from breeding.

[Samurai Waki]

I had a friend who was raised by Gay Parents, straight as an arrow (He's getting married in a few months... to a female), and smart as a whip. He recently got his doctorate from Harvard. He attributes most of his successes to how much his (Dads) stressed the importance that they always paid attention to him, and nurtured his mind way beyond the call of duty.