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[Greyblades]

Oh dear merciful host. He doesnt have a joker role does he?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ok I will bite, whats a joker role?

[Greyblades]

An "end the game if I die" role. Its very nasty: if we lynch/kill him and it turns out hes a joker then its game over and everyone dies.

[GeneralHankerchief]

An "end the game if I die" role. Its very nasty: if we lynch/kill him and it turns out hes a joker then its game over and everyone dies.

I seriously doubt that TinCow would include such a role in this kind of game.

[Greyblades]

then maybe hes an actor role?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Meh. I think TinCow hates those kinds of roles just like most of us do. I think Khaan is being his usual roleplaying self. If he happens to be mafia it looks pretty bad for him anyway. I'd just hate for him to die since I'm Pompey and he's one of my subordinates.

I think Ignoramus is an equally lovely choice.

[Greyblades]

I'd just hate for him to die since I'm Pompey and he's one of my subordinates.

But uh....um wha.... oh dang you and you wifom's. Dang you all to heck!

[Jolt]

If such a Role exists I will contribute with a donation to burn down TinCow's house or apartment.

In any case, khaan's attitude is very weird. However, repeatedly asking for the Mafia to kill him when there are two Mafias and he would belong to one of them is even weirder. My bet is he is a Consul or Praetor.

I would abstain again, but this deep into the game I suppose I should make my vote felt too.

Proscript: CulturedDrizztFan

Not only have you given me some vibes towards scumminess. But Cicero did vote change for you so I'm willing to bet he knows something we do not.

[AggonyDuck]

Although Shinsei seems like a good lynch, I'm going with my gut here and vote for Ichigo. Something just isn't right with him. Firstly his reaction to his murder attempt in the write up seemed very ominous and now he has gone missing from this thread since Thursday morning, despite actually visiting and posting at the .org during the same time. It does strike me as something planned rather that something done out of indifference, especially when the contrast to his previous activity is marked. I find these to be valid reasons to suspect Ichigo enough to warrant a vote for his lynch. Additionally I'm still puzzled at who actually protected him as it seemed like they were his own guardians, not a senator group.

Vote: Ichigo

[Chaotix]

Although Shinsei seems like a good lynch, I'm going with my gut here and vote for Ichigo. Something just isn't right with him. Firstly his reaction to his murder attempt in the write up seemed very ominous and now he has gone missing from this thread since Thursday morning, despite actually visiting and posting at the .org during the same time. It does strike me as something planned rather that something done out of indifference, especially when the contrast to his previous activity is marked. I find these to be valid reasons to suspect Ichigo enough to warrant a vote for his lynch. Additionally I'm still puzzled at who actually protected him as it seemed like they were his own guardians, not a senator group.

Vote: Ichigo

He either doesn't have guards, or they were away protecting someone else last night. So, yes, I do think it's suspicious that he was leaving clues that he might be a Consul/Praetor. Then again, without him there is still one missing defense role to be found...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Ok I can accept the scumminess vibes part of your vote, people tend to say that about me all the time.... but I am not sure why you think Cicero changing the vote would affect your judgment. if you did that you also have to accept that Navarro vote change was for a good reason, and I doubt it was. if Cicero can change votes then that means he cant also have a special investigation ability, so he is going on the same thing we are, opinion. I think we are focusing far to much on what Pompey, Caeser, and these vote changers have to say, and leaving all the thinking to them, I believe is a mistake. we have to come up with our own conclusions, so if anyone has a legitimate reason I should be lynched then please do, I wont stop you.

I cant believe we are even considering that the things Pompey and Caesar are revealing in their messages are true....

[ULC]

Vote: Ichigo

Don't parade around as something your not.

Don't lynch Khaan, quite pointless to do so. I know what you are Khaan, but we don't need to get into specifics.

[Greyblades]

What is it with all these people thinking they don't need to explain why they want town to vote or not vote someone?

*Sigh* Care to explain why we should not lynch Khaan?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Ichigo

Don't parade around as something your not.

Don't lynch Khaan, quite pointless to do so. I know what you are Khaan, but we don't need to get into specifics.

This reads a bit like you have an agenda in protecting khaan.

[ULC]

This reads a bit like you have an agenda in protecting khaan.

No, but it's pointless to do so in a sense - either he is after it and we waste two night kills the mafia must make on him, or we don't, and the mafia must waste 2 night kills on him.

If he's lying, then he makes himself a target of the mafia needlessly, and thus we shouldn't bother with him. Remember, we have 2 mafia families, so the argument of WIFOM won't work in this situation for him.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But he hasn't claimed any role. He just invited the mafia to kill him.

[AggonyDuck]

No, but it's pointless to do so in a sense - either he is after it and we waste two night kills the mafia must make on him, or we don't, and the mafia must waste 2 night kills on him.

Care to explain for those who don't have your information?

[Jolt]

Correct Tally (I think):

Iskander: 1 (Caius)
Ignoramus: 2 (Khaan, ATPG)
Khaan: 3 (Chaotix, CulturedDrizztFan, Greybldes)
CulturedDrizFan: 2 (Sasaki, Jolt)
Ichigo: 2 (AD, YLC)

[Beefy187]

Khaan either is a mafia playing reverse psychology or has "kill who ever comes to kill me" ability.

Anyways, I like to see khaan alive for now.

Vote: Ignoramus

Iskander: 1 (Caius)
Ignoramus: 3 (Khaan, ATPG, Beefy)
Khaan: 3 (Chaotix, CulturedDrizztFan, Greybldes)
CulturedDrizFan: 2 (Sasaki, Jolt)
Ichigo: 2 (AD, YLC)

[woad&fangs]

vote: TheFlax

Because I'm not convinced by any of the cases against people with votes on them.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

if Cicero can change votes then that means he cant also have a special investigation ability, so he is going on the same thing we are, opinion. I think we are focusing far to much on what Pompey, Caeser, and these vote changers have to say, and leaving all the thinking to them, I believe is a mistake. we have to come up with our own conclusions, so if anyone has a legitimate reason I should be lynched then please do, I wont stop you.

I cant believe we are even considering that the things Pompey and Caesar are revealing in their messages are true....

Not necessarily. Don't take anything as given in a game where everone has an ability. There is also the possibility that Cicero is working with others who do have investigative functions. In my humble opinion, Senators, Cicero would seem to be a neutral agent. Not tied enough to either would-be tyrant to support them, but lacking his own faction to support him. I would also tend to accept the word of such an elder statesman, and do not think that he would use his magnificent oratory lightly.

I would trust Nero's claim as being able to switch sides, and furthermore believe that those targeting him would either be Pompeians or die-hard Optimates who wish to gain victory alone, supporting Pompeius rather than the rightful Republican government.

While I would not put it past Sasaki to use his own name in a dictator's list of targets, I feel that he is being used as a scapegoat in this case. And as a final thought; the greatest lies contain a grain of truth.

Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

[Iskander 3.1]

Actually Caius I've been pretty active, if you'll look...just haven't had as much time in the last 48 hours, but I do what I can. Reading through these posts I think both Ignoramus and Drizzt seem a little scummy, although Ignoramus' reveal doesn't seem too fabricated. And I really doubt that TinCow would put in a Joker role, but then again, you never know.

Sorry Drizzt, I know you and I are friends, but to quote Donald Trump, "It's nothing personal, it's just business."

Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

[ULC]

Care to explain for those who don't have your information?

There's a loop, there's loop, in and in out out it goes, where you belong, no one knows, but round and round it goes, where it will stop and with whom few know, but there's a loop, there's a loop and round round it goes, why you were once part of it, but oh noes! There's a loop, there's a loop, up and down and everyside it goes, but there's a loop, there's a loop, round and round it goes, and your not a part so off you go, oh there's a loop, there's a lo-, oh you know how it goes.

[Jolt]

There's a loop, there's loop, in and in out out it goes, where you belong, no one knows, but round and round it goes, where it will stop and with whom few know, but there's a loop, there's a loop and round round it goes, why you were once part of it, but oh noes! There's a loop, there's a loop, up and down and everyside it goes, but there's a loop, there's a loop, round and round it goes, and your not a part so off you go, oh there's a loop, there's a lo-, oh you know how it goes.

YLC est persona insana.

[Chaotix]

Unvote: khaan

If YLC is telling the truth about him, then yes, indeed it would be better for the mafia to take him out than us.

Vote: Ignoramus

I'm not convinced that Ichigo is mafia, yet, and I highly doubt the reasons CDF is being voted, if there are any reasons. Thus, Ignoramus, who remains an unknown, lurking quantity, gets my vote.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ignoramus took part in a protection last night, and claimed a role which could switch allegiances which doesn't seem likely as a mafia cover role.

edit: drizzt seems a bit nervous

[Askthepizzaguy]

very well. That does make sense to me.

unvote, vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Khazaar.

His night action pm for a townie action was sent late so it failed, pathetically. A cover to pretend he didn't realise when the phase ended, so could commit another (scummy) action?

[Beefy187]

Vote: Khazaar.

His night action pm for a townie action was sent late so it failed, pathetically. A cover to pretend he didn't realise when the phase ended, so could commit another (scummy) action?

You can't be serious.. You just revealed someone who could've been doing a pro town job..

[Khazaar]

If you had any interest in if that was a mistake or not you´d contacted me first via PM, right now you´re just looking for a scapegoat. Anyway I think the fact that both dictators target saskai might be becasue they both want him dead. Pompeii alredy offered Cesar a truce, real or not the reason for that seems to be the level of organization of towns nightactions that could potentially threaten both dictators.

Vote: Ignoramus

still wanting to see what he really is since he got mentioned by pompeii.