What suggested faction should be in EBII

[Viking_Wårlord]

Another Germanic tribe would be great,I also voted for Judea (even if it wouldn't historically cope....) because I think Jews are UNDER-REPRESENTED in games!

[Mediolanicus]

I think Jews are UNDER-REPRESENTED in games!

They were a backwater people at that time like so many other people not really represented in EB - though they did have slightly odd view on religion for the time. They even have their own unit and in that respect I would say they are OVER-REPRESENTED, since jews were not put in seperate units.

[Viking_Wårlord]

Over-represented?

Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?

The answer is definitly NO.

Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history.

[Alsatia]

Over-represented?

Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?

The answer is definitly NO.

Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history.

Sorry, to bug in but, You can play the Kingdom of Israel in Empire Earth. (Btw, it's too old and ..... let's just say graphically impaired)

[Hax]

Over-represented?

Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?

The answer is definitly NO.

Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history.

Nonsense. The Kingdom of Israel was dead by 272 BC, their lands taken by the Babylonians, the Persians and the Macedonians after that. The Maccabean rebellion just secured their own city and some of the land near it, they didn't have the means to go conquer other lands, not to mention this happened in 164 BC, more than a hundred years after EB's starting date.

Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?

The answer is definitly NO.

No, but there haven't been any RTS games concerning Germans fighting eachother, about the numerous steppe clans, about the Axumites, about the southern Arabian tribes (which had a much greater influence on the trade in Europe than the Israelites had).

Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history.

Saying this is like saying that we should include a Buddhist faction in India, y'know, just because they had an influence on religion. Oh, and Christianity wasn't a major contender in the Mediterranean until about 250/300 AD. And Islam? 300 years later.

Or are you stating we should include a faction hundred years before they had anything to say for themselves just because they had an influence on religions (which are badly represented in RTW/M2TW anyways) that weren't really important until 300 years after the ending date of the game (which very people have actually reached)?

[Mediolanicus]

Over-represented?

Certainly not Under. Though maybe the importance of the Temple could be improved in EB.

Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?

Not that I know off. And though I would like to play one, not in EB since it plays in a completely different time.

Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history

Judaïsm is very important historically. But their importance in 272BC - 14AD was the same as any small culture on the EB-map, except for that one heretic that born then and became equally historically important.

[Zett]

Here are some interesting links about Israels History. Viking_Wårlord, I think you will notice, that what the others had already said is true, there was no Kingdom of Israel or something like that, after they had been defeated by the Babylonians. Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20Ab...ael-%20History
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20Ab...econd%20Temple

[Moros]

How many games have you seen representing the Sabaeans? I think EB was the first to do it. How many games have you played which featured the lusotanann? And there are more of these examples. But what does that matter? The Judeans weren't independant until about 160 BC, most people don't even play that far. Their military wasn't much to look at at first either (this would change and would make them another hellenistic like faction). They never played a major role when it comes to international conflicts or politics. Economically they weren't anything special either. They were nothing more but yet another funny but mostly unkown people who simply had a rather distinctive religion.

I do not think there wouldn't be enough sources. Josephus tells alot and archeologcial findings like in Masada tells us quite a bit on their military. The rest doesn't seem to be a problem either. Except the justification, as it has almost no decent arguments pro yet many contra.

[Smeel]

Like everybode else said, a judean faction just isn't justified against some other factions, or even most factions. Just script it that if you pillage the temple the population go nuts?

I voted Massilia, Bosphoran Kingdom, Syrakousai, Boii and Colchis. And Cimbri.

[Fabio Scevola]

My votes were to:
Bosphoran Kingdom, Syrakousai, Boii, Belgae, Celtiberian faction( not as a culture/subculture faction but tribe or group of tribes of celtiberian culture), Numidia (already previewed) and The Maruyan Satrapy.
Same reason other people had said for all except the Indian Faction.
Maybe no so strong case about culture slot issue and representation of the Maruyan kingdom (no space to the right) but maybe the satrapy colud be treated as a semi-independent region (if it was the case historically, don't know to much about that part of the map in that age) and if destroyed or in bad shape a reinforce/imperial Maruyan army could come in recapture/help mision or missions, just think this aproach in more acurate than the actual implementation in EB1.

[Morte66]

The Bosporian Kingdom. I've "played" them in EB1 by migrating the KH to Pantikapaion in year 1 using console codes and bribery whilst abandoning their starting provinces. They were a hell of a lot of fun.

The hoplites and (horse) archers military was refreshingly different from the other miltaries. Their position and mix of enemies is also interesting -- you can end up fighting Sauromata, Getae, Hai, Sweboz, and Pontos/Seleucia if you cross the water.

For people who want to play EB2, rather than <grin>pontificating on the forums</grin> about map balancing or historical importance, this should be a really good faction.