Lemur, you will be (hopefully) pleased to know that almost every pro-life group I know of has condemned this.
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
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Lemur, you will be (hopefully) pleased to know that almost every pro-life group I know of has condemned this.
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Sad story in so many ways.
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In church as well... sickening...
My condolences to his family
Edit: I wonder if maybe a military man involved in guantanamo bay, would you struggle to feel sorry if that monster was killed ?
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I don't know if "pleased" is the right word; "relieved" would describe my feelings more accurately. Although you say "almost" every group has condemned the killing — who has abstained? Scary to think that any mainstream political group could condone this.
Not sure to whom this question was directed, but I'll bite: I don't think anyone involved with our torture policy should be murdered. Not the men who carried it out, not the lawyers who enabled it, not the executives giving the orders. This is America. We should never murder people with whom we disagree. If something is heinous and wrong, eventually we pass a law. Like Winston Churchill said, “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing — after they've tried everything else.”
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The great late Bill Hicks described the irony of this situation better than I could have ever done..
'these are pro-life people...who murder doctors...'
it´s irony on a base level, but it´s a hoot!
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Yeah basically Lemur i agree... it was kind of directed at rythfelwyr. Its a much greyer area if were talking about mass murdering dictators (though i still don't approve death penalty) but if were talking about people who do unsavoury things for thier Job, like say late term abortion doctor, enhanched intergation officer/solidier but things that aren't nessecarily illegal and are more of a grey area then thier murders are shocking and i do feel for them and thier family...
It may be unsavoury but they are just doing thier job, a job that through whatever process is legal in your country...
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Nobody that I can think of. Why are you relieved rather than pleased? I doubt that any of the major pro-life groups would condone this.
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As I said his murder was wrong, but I don't care if he was just doing his job, or if it was legal. The Nazi guards at the concentration camps were just doing their jobs, and it would have been perfectly legal, but that doesn't make it right.
To be honest, I think you have to be a very sick person to carry out late term abortions.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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Its irrelevant - the consequences of such a death are felt mainly by the family of the victim. Feel sorry for them. (and I would seperate him from Nazi guards, he was apparently 1 of 2 people, they can truly claim to be binded by orders + fear, he could not)
I don't see why its neccessarily hypocritical for Christians/ Pro-Lifers to support the death penalty, afaik Pro-Lifers only argue everyone should be given a chance at life. As has been said, he is clearly not representative of the Pro-Life lobby anyway.
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Well I can't say more than what's been said by Don Corleone.
Legality has nothing to do with morality. It was once legal to own slaves and treat them horribly. Would calling a brutal slaveowner, who was killed by a radical abolitionist, a 'monster' offend you?Oh come on - this Doctor was performing a completely legal operation and was killed for it.
Now the murder was, of course, wrong, and goes against the principles of those who are pro-life.
CR
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The women getting the late term abortions didnt do it for the lulz. It was either that or bringing up a invalid,something most people dont have the mindset/financial situation to do.
Was raised in a fundamentalist christrian environment. Know more about it then I really care too.Alright, so amount of people who know nothing about the pro-life movement in this thread tallies at: 1. I'll keep a running total, don't worry.
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Better yet, show me a pro-life group that condones it. It's absolutely antithetical to both those organizations and Christianity as a whole. "Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you" doesn't translate well into "blow away those you disagree with."
/in before all-faith-is-evil
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Well, hang on a second, I wasn't making an argument against the death penalty. If a person has a fair trial and is found guilty and sentenced, then so be it. I was saying that people should not be killed by other private citizens for their political actions, or to prove a political point.
I am relieved because the abortion issue can bring out the extremist in people, and some of the rhetoric that gets used is kind of out-there. If pro-life groups are taking care to distance themselves from a clearly criminal man, why shouldn't I be relieved? I want an abortion compromise to be reached within my lifetime, and that means that people on both sides of the issue need to be rational and legitimate.
I could too easily see people saying, "It's a good day for 'Merica!" as some hick was shouting on Left4Dead last night. (I realize that a zombie-killing game is not a representative sample of the electorate.)
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Got to love the hypocrisy of those pro-life protesters. So this guy deserved to be shot because he killed babies but by killing him they some how have to moral high ground? Hmmmmm
Similarities can also be drawn to those who are Christians yet support the death penalty. "Jesus told me to love thy neighbour and turn the other cheek but I support the death penalty because some people don't deserve my forgiveness" . It's a mad, mad world..
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Do you always use outliers to judge groups, or is it only with people you don't like?
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The Nazi guards at the concentration camps were just doing their jobs,
I was going to put a sentence in but i figured i would give godwins law a rest...
Its a little different shoving thousands of jews off to thier deaths every day.... i was thinking more american torturer in Gauntanamo bay than nazi gaurd...
Well, hang on a second, I wasn't making an argument against the death penalty. If a person has a fair trial and is found guilty and sentenced, then so be it. I was saying that people should not be killed by other private citizens for their political actions, or to prove a political point.
Basically i was agreeing... the part in brackets was more a side point not connected the rest...
Basically the part in brackets was saying despite the fact i would be less bothered about someone killing a mass murdering dictator like they killed this doctor... i still wouldn't approve of giving them the death penalty..
You know... incase any dictators were reading the .org and thought i was wishing them harm...
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This wasn't what the Pro Life Lobby wants, they want to end abortions, especially late term abortions. What this man is, is a cold blooded killer, not a representative for what Pro Lifers want. Of course he will be condemned, and will serve the rest of his days behind a steel curtain. He will never be the martyr, he thinks he is.
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Are you done trolling or are you ready to actually see people've been saying about the story? NOBODY here has said "way to go, buddy!" The man acted on his own, and received nearly zero support from every pro-life group. Stop being a total
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Sarcasm intended also generalising yes, but obviously that doesn't portray my view. I'm not stupid, I know only a small majority of pro-life groups act in a violent manner instead of going through the political system.
Also I don't hate pro-life groups, but I don't endorse the killing of another human.
Please note, message was posted late at night, I was tired and thought a 4 line sentence could some up my "general view". Didn't realise some people would read so deep into it..
Should of stated that I'm referring to those extreme pro-lifers. I mean I don't particularly support abortion unless circumstances are extreme. And no it's not just one person, there are some very extreme sects of pro-lifers who have repeatedly attacked doctors who perform abortions homes and seem to see violence as a way of acting against people opposed to their beliefs.
Are you done trolling or are you ready to actually see people've been saying about the story? NOBODY here has said "way to go, buddy!" The man acted on his own, and received nearly zero support from every pro-life group. Stop being a total
Obviously a vast majority of of pro-life supporters prefer to use the correct legal method but the fact is there's a nubmer which doesn't.
Also my post has clear sarcasam and is obviously not serious. You seem to be getting worked up over nothing. Also what's the purpose of this thread if not to open the abortion debate and highlight the actions of those crazys who take it to far. But yer you cursing me was really productive, gratz.
Partly my fault yes, for not expanding on what I meant but as I mentioned I was tired and the only intention of my post was to highlight hypocrisy, your wrong to portray me as a troll. It's not who I am nor is it what will ever be.
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