Late-Term Abortion Provider Gunned Down In Church

[Papewaio]

Cheeky. Some people kill people and are themselves killed. The whole situation is tragic and unfortunate. Moral posturing is fun, though, eh?

Not cheeky, serious.

This is from my throne of reckoning.

Please note that the throne of reckoning is a glass toilet seat, in a glass toilet room, in a glass house. My guilt in group think and righteous rage is more then most, so I'm pontificating well and truly from the guilty spectrum. Also I probably should use the neighbours toilets, but Banquo's has too much artillery and that makes me feel inadequate. Lemurs has too many monkeys and their spanking is distracting, while Kukrikhan's has more knives then the Bobbets.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Not cheeky, serious.

This is from my throne of reckoning.

Please note that the throne of reckoning is a glass toilet seat, in a glass toilet room, in a glass house. My guilt in group think and righteous rage is more then most, so I'm pontificating well and truly from the guilty spectrum. Also I probably should use the neighbours toilets, but Banquo's has too much artillery and that makes me feel inadequate. Lemurs has too many monkeys and their spanking is distracting, while Kukrikhan's has more knives then the Bobbets.

You act like I'm not in the room right next to you, giving the kitchen counter a righteous reckoning. I told you I needed to use the glass toilet, and your deaf ears have lead to me punishing the glass counter with a fresh brown paint job.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well what can you do, Gerry Adams thinks Orangemen are evil and doesn't care if they die, I think people that kill babies are messed up and though he should not die at the hands of a vigilante, I would be lying if I said I would lose sleep over it.

I've said his killing was wrong, but common, would all the people telling me that my views are terrible apply the same standard to themselves? How many of you would get upset if Bin Laden got mowed down by someone without getting a trial? You would probably say it was wrong, but after what he's did, it's hard to feel sorry for him.

I would apply the same position to Bin Laden, if he has to be killed it is yet another failure of the War of Ideas we are currently engaged in. In Bin Laden's case, however, his death might have some (debatable) strategic value, it might lessen the fighting for a time.

The killing of this man was totally pointless as well as tragic and morally disgusting.

We must be reading different threads. I haven't seen anybody claim he got what he deserved. I personally said I would pray for the repose of his soul, despite how horrific I found his crimes.

That wasn't particually aimed at you, Don, but even you feel the need to add "despite", why?

He's one of God's children, he's dead; why does there have to be a "despite"?

Maybe it's just me, but this seems incredibly simple from my point of view, and I also apply the same view to his murderer.

How is that a strawman? You made the point that since he was an usher at his Lutheran church, he was no monster. I responded that the BTK killer was an Elder at his (as it turns out, a Deacon to boot), and you call "strawman"?

Yes, because the BTK killer was a closet serial killer and a cociopath (tortured animals, apparently), his congregation didn't know what he was doing to his victims. Conversely, you could hardly not know what Tiller's job was, because he was shot before and had his place of work blown up. They aren't psychologically equivilant, nor is their treatment by their respective congregations.

They aren't comparable.

Reject a person? Yes, un-Christian. God reserves judgment of people for Himself. Reject their actions? Not only is it permissable, it is required. It is an act of divine charity to speak truth to sin in your brother. Pretending that performing elective 3rd trimester abortions is no different than removing melanomas is gauche and un-Christian. Love of your fellow man does not mean you accept all of their sins so that you don't hurt their feelings.

The term "monster" has been banded around here. I don't agree with his actions or his choice of proffesion, but at the end of the day I think you have to accept that society at large and his community were by-and-large happy that he was a normal human being.

Which leaves us to consider how a normal human being can think it is better to kill a foetus than let it live, that's the real tragedy.

[rasoforos]

I wish the term 'sinner' would not be flying around so much in this thread.

We can of course agree, disagree and pass judgment on people and their decisions. However, accusing people of sin is like putting words in the Gods' mouths. But what do I know, I am an Atheist.

[LittleGrizzly]

Those without sin cast the first stone...

Hey! where'd all the stone throwers suddenly go ?!

I find myself agreeing with philipvs position in this thread...

[Rhyfelwyr]

I don't think anyone really disagrees, its just for some people the shock factor of what Tilller did for a living numbs them to his murder. It's probably not the 'right' way to feel, but I guess its a natural reaction, maybe not all that different from what led to the killer shooting him, but I can't help it.

When it comes to what some people see as baby-killing, there's always going to be emotional responses.

[rasoforos]

When a human 'kills' fetuses he is considered a criminal by some people. (I am not trying to defend his actions here, the point has been discussed already. Just stating the fact)

When a baby dies by an 'act of God' (i.e. cancer, a congenital defect, freak accident) the same people say things like 'we thank God for bringing him/her to our lives' and 'they are now flying with the angels' and things like that. If said baby survives horribly disable and in a word of permanent pain, they say 'Oh it is a mircacle. We thank God for saving him', despite the fact that said God could prevent it in the first place. Noone brands God a criminal.

I do not say this as a criticism but it always perplexes me.