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    I must admit I spoke too soon;

    In my opinion, animals (as HoreTore stated) animals should be protected against human cruelty. Rights is a bit of a vague term in this case. As far as we know (thanks for all the fish) animals lack the consciousness that humans have. The situation is even more difficult because we don't know any species who have the same consciousness (or close to) that humans have.

    If it's some unnecessary thing, sure, I'd put that in the "sadistic nuts plaything"-bin. But if it's something vaguely useful, then sure. They are, afterall, our underlings, and again, who said they should be given a right against being used in medical experiments?
    I prefer this being tested on humans. If we wish to mess around with natural selection, I'd say that we are responsible. Animals should not be made to suffer because of benefits to humans.*

    Generally, I do not see animals as underlings, but just as different beings on this planet. In many aspects, I think their lives to be better of that of humans because they lack conscience. They work in perfect harmony with nature. Stephen Fry once said:

    "If you look outside, the only ugly things you will see are manmade. Everything in nature, be it a desert, swamp, lake, plain is beautiful in its own right."

    The same goes for animals, in my opinion. Not so much that they have extraordinary beauty (a rabbit with Shopes Papiloma can be quite revolting, but in the sense that they live in harmony with nature, which humans have trouble with at points. I'm not saying we are incapable of doing so, but in animals it is innate, for humans it has to be learned.

    This might be my Buddhist philosophy coming up though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Of course not, they are food. Who said they should be given a right to protect them from being killed and eaten?
    Vegans.
    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    If it's some unnecessary thing, sure, I'd put that in the "sadistic nuts plaything"-bin. But if it's something vaguely useful, then sure. They are, afterall, our underlings, and again, who said they should be given a right against being used in medical experiments?
    Vaccines will have to be tested on living subjects at some point, it should always be animals first.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    WHAT?!?!??!?!
    Outside cats get all kinds of diseases. Our vet was fairly adamant that cats should be kept indoors and I tend to trust him because cats getting diseases would be good business for him...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Generally, I do not see animals as underlings, but just as different beings on this planet. In many aspects, I think their lives to be better of that of humans because they lack conscience. They work in perfect harmony with nature. Stephen Fry once said:

    "If you look outside, the only ugly things you will see are manmade. Everything in nature, be it a desert, swamp, lake, plain is beautiful in its own right."
    Ugly is a human concept though...and swamps are pretty ugly imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by miotas
    A lion doesn't inflict multiple small wounds with the intention of causing harm but not death, a lion is simply trying kill its prey to be eaten.
    In a bullfight, they make the wounds to the neck not to cause harm, but to weaken the bull so that they can kill it safely. Lions probably do something similar to giraffes, and wolves certainly do to elk and such. House cats on the other hand, are well know for playing with their food, it's where we get the saying "a game of cat and mouse".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    WTF part of "This is just between us" did you have trouble understanding!?!?
    Naughty language, naughty boy! Do I have to give you another round of ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Vegans.
    They're irrelevant loonies. Nobody cares about what they have to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Vaccines will have to be tested on living subjects at some point, it should always be animals first.
    Of course. Which is why I said so....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Outside cats get all kinds of diseases. Our vet was fairly adamant that cats should be kept indoors and I tend to trust him because cats getting diseases would be good business for him...
    That vet should be slapped silly.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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