Late-Term Abortion Provider Gunned Down In Church

[Meneldil]

Abortion is not nice, but it's a necessary evil.
If TuffStuff, Don and others are willing to adopt, raise and take care of every baby that should have been aborted for one valid reason (this include, "not having the means to raise a child", "not wanting to raise a genetically deficient baby", and anything of that standard) or another, then I say yes, we can get rid of abortion (except when the physical health of the mother is threatened).

As long as they don't, then I don't care about christian morals.

The murderer is a typical case of religious nutjob. To protect his "faith" (ie. his bastardized understanding of religion), he's willing to trample the very basics morals of christianity. Well done.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Abortion is not nice, but it's a necessary evil.
If TuffStuff, Don and others are willing to adopt, raise and take care of every baby that should have been aborted for one valid reason (this include, "not having the means to raise a child", "not wanting to raise a genetically deficient baby", and anything of that standard) or another, then I say yes, we can get rid of abortion (except when the physical health of the mother is threatened).

As long as they don't, then I don't care about christian morals.

The murderer is a typical case of religious nutjob. To protect his "faith" (ie. his bastardized understanding of religion), he's willing to trample the very basics morals of christianity. Well done.

Two of my five syblings are adopted. In reality, they are my favorite syblings. My mother would adopt more if more than 5 children wouldn't cause my fathers head to explode.

I expect to adopt the larger ratio of my children and my girlfriend is on board

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

If TuffStuff, Don and others are willing to adopt, raise and take care of every baby that should have been aborted for one valid reason

Isn't there a shortage of children in the West as compared to the amount of people wanting to adopt them? Also, what about orphanages? I'd rather live in an orphanage and have some kind of life than never live at all.

It isn't about the woman. It's about the child.

(this include, "not having the means to raise a child"

That's valid? Abortion as birth control all the way then!

Really, if you have sex and don't have the means to raise a child, there are still more options for you. You can give it to a relative to raise, give it up for adoption, or maybe own up to your own selfish actions and raise it yourself.

"not wanting to raise a genetically deficient baby"

Don't raise it. Adoption. Use it.

Really, don't want to raise a "genetically deficient baby"? Have you ever met a person with special needs? Most of them actually enjoy living, you know.

As long as they don't, then I don't care about christian morals.

The pro-life group is not made up entirely of Christians, you know. And when it is, many of those Christians are not pro-life because of their religion. My Catholicism would only effect me not getting an abortion if I was a woman who was pregnant. My secular reasons for being pro-life are the reasons why I believe that there are many circumstances in which abortion should be illegal.

[HoreTore]

maybe own up to your own selfish actions and raise it yourself.

Uhm....

Having sex is a "selfish action"...?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Uhm....

Having sex is a "selfish action"...?

You have sex, you deal with the consequences. If you don't have the means to raise a child and don't want to give it up for adoption...your fault.

[HoreTore]

You have sex, you deal with the consequences. If you don't have the means to raise a child and don't want to give it up for adoption...your fault.

...And that's precisely why we invented abortion.

And you are aware, that even if you ban abortion, that fetus will still be aborted, right?

[PBI]

Why the focus on conception?

How is that any less an arbitrary cutoff point than anything else?

[Jolt]

Prison for life with the bastard.

[Louis VI the Fat]

You have sex, you deal with the consequences.

The consequence would be an abortion, which I am perfectly (un?)happy to deal with.


If I'm cooking and my kitchen accidently catches fire, I will not 'deal with the consequences of cooking'. I will simply put out the fire instead.
If I'm having sex and there's an accidental pregnancy, I will not deal with the consequence by not doing anything about it. I will be a man and deal with it by having an abortion.


For the hurt feelings of the Gods of soul-equipped kitchen utensils or the Gods of soul-equipped lumps of cells, I do not care.

[Andres]

The consequence would be an abortion, which I am perfectly (un?)happy to deal with.


If I'm cooking and my kitchen accidently catches fire, I will not 'deal with the consequences of cooking'. I will simply put out the fire instead.
If I'm having sex and there's an accidental pregnancy, I will not deal with the consequence by not doing anything about it. I will be a man and deal with it by having an abortion.


For the hurt feelings of the Gods of soul-equipped kitchen utensils or the Gods of soul-equipped lumps of cells, I do not care.

Such an attitude disturbs me and I think it's in poor taste to compare a pregnancy with a kitchen accident.

1) If you want to be a man, then you'll let the mother take the decision. "It" is not in your belly, but in the belly of the woman. In the end it's her decision, not yours. No, forcing her to do what you want her to do is not = being a man, it's being selfish and cruel. If she choses to keep the child and not to give it away for adoption, then you'll be a man by either raising your child yourself or financially support the mother;
2) Ask any couple that is pregnant for a couple of weeks to describe it. They won't call it "lumps of cells". Don't be so insensitive and don't act like there are no emotions whatsoever involved when talking about a pregnancy, being it wanted or unwanted.
3) It's not so easy as you make it sound.

[rory_20_uk]

So a pregnancy is at 20 weeks. The man wants it and always wanted it.

Woman decides to dump the man and run off with somone she's just met. She has an abortion.

Who here is being selfish and cruel?

I feel you illustrated very well how that, although both men and women are equal, the man has no say at any point in the pregnancy as to what happens, although has to deal with the consequences of the choice the women makes.