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    Nature failed us? Who or what, exactly, determined that sex is to be enjoyed without reproduction?
    I do.

    Reproduction is irrelevant, sex is for pleasure.
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    The Texas facility is now closing permanently.

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    The Texas facility is now closing permanently.

    Comments in this thread give me more fuel to fight this blight. Some of your views disgust me and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
    I can assure you, the feeling is mutual
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    I do.

    Reproduction is irrelevant, sex is for pleasure.
    No, sex is pleasurable so that you'll do it a lot and procreate a lot, thereby propigating the species. I yould have thought that blindingly obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    No, sex is pleasurable so that you'll do it a lot and procreate a lot, thereby propigating the species. I yould have thought that blindingly obvious.
    Yes, that's what nature intended.

    But, as I've said, nature failed us, as we don't want that. We want the pleasure, but we don't want the reproduction. So, we've fixed nature, and taken away the reproduction part. The result? Sex with just pleasure, brilliant!

    Nature didn't provide us with wings - we invented the airplane.
    Nature didn't provide us with super strength - we invented hydraulics.
    Nature didn't provide us with carefree sex - we invented abortion.

    That's what we humans do; we use our imagination to fix nature's mistakes.
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    Yes, that's what nature intended.

    But, as I've said, nature failed us, as we don't want that. We want the pleasure, but we don't want the reproduction. So, we've fixed nature, and taken away the reproduction part. The result? Sex with just pleasure, brilliant!

    Nature didn't provide us with wings - we invented the airplane.
    Nature didn't provide us with super strength - we invented hydraulics.
    Nature didn't provide us with carefree sex - we invented abortion.

    That's what we humans do; we use our imagination to fix nature's mistakes.
    I would argue we break nature, and particually in removing the reproductive element from sex. You could argue the other things you listed increase the chance of humanities survival, but casual abortion reduces it.

    So you're broken the biological imperative. As an atheist you can't appeal to anything higher than the "natural", so anything that frustrates nature is bad; especially if it frustrates the survival of our species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    I would argue we break nature, and particually in removing the reproductive element from sex. You could argue the other things you listed increase the chance of humanities survival, but casual abortion reduces it.

    So you're broken the biological imperative. As an atheist you can't appeal to anything higher than the "natural", so anything that frustrates nature is bad; especially if it frustrates the survival of our species.
    We are humans. We have evolved from the animals, we no longer need to concern ourselves with the simple need for reproduction. We can concern ourselves with making our lives more enjoyable, and carefree sex makes our lives more enjoyable.

    Hence, abortion makes our lives more enjoyable and better.

    Also, who said I was an atheist? Atheism means that I've made and choice and care about it, while I belong in the "could not even care for a second about such nonsense I can't do anything about anyway"-group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    We are humans. We have evolved from the animals, we no longer need to concern ourselves with the simple need for reproduction. We can concern ourselves with making our lives more enjoyable, and carefree sex makes our lives more enjoyable.

    Hence, abortion makes our lives more enjoyable and better.
    Are you being serious?

    If so, are you talking about late-term abortions or abortions before the 12th week?

    In case of the former, do you think a late term abortion is no problem, even if it's done just because you did want to enjoy sex without risk of pregnancy and you didn't have time in your busy schedule for something as trivial as an early abortion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post
    Are you being serious?
    Yes?

    Do you seriously think that we should only have sex in order to reproduce ourselves?

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    If so, are you talking about late-term abortions or abortions before the 12th week?
    Abortion in general.

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    In case of the former, do you think a late term abortion is no problem, even if it's done just because you did want to enjoy sex without risk of pregnancy and you didn't have time in your busy schedule for something as trivial as an early abortion?
    Late abortion is a larger medical procedure; that's the reason I think people should have the abortion as quickly as possible.

    But if I hear a fetus say "no, I don't want an abortion", I'll happily agree that that one fetus shouldn't be aborted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    But, as I've said, nature failed us, as we don't want that. We want the pleasure, but we don't want the reproduction. So, we've fixed nature, and taken away the reproduction part. The result? Sex with just pleasure, brilliant!

    Nature didn't provide us with wings - we invented the airplane.
    Nature didn't provide us with super strength - we invented hydraulics.
    Nature didn't provide us with carefree sex - we invented abortion.


    We are humans. We have evolved from the animals, we no longer need to concern ourselves with the simple need for reproduction. We can concern ourselves with making our lives more enjoyable, and carefree sex makes our lives more enjoyable.
    Well spoken!

    Do people who prefer 'natural' sex abstain from the use of contraceptives like the pill or condoms too?
    And what of peridocal abstinence. Is that natural? Or is counting the days already 'unnatural'?
    And what of 'no sex before marriage'? Marriage is a recent invention. Therefore 'no sex before it' is unnatural too.

    I also suggest that people 'accept the consequences' of running really fast and refuse to see a doctor in case of tripping over real bad.


    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
    No, sex is pleasurable so that you'll do it a lot and procreate a lot, thereby propigating the species. I yould have thought that blindingly obvious.
    Unlike many other animals, but like several, humans have sex as a means of social bonding.
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