AP vs lethality

[Cute Wolf]

AP -> useful against crazy armoured units, such as katas or TAB
Lethality -> useful against less armoured, but numerous units (kill them more often)..

The Celts (Aedui, Avernii, Casse), do have a chance to give a little punch in the ball for Sauromatae, in my opinion... Just try to use Neitos with some solduros as back up... and hiring some native HA's on their own... at least their FMs are cavalry, and won't be killed by one charge... Getai fare even better, coz they can field their own HA's

Sweboz? They are really different story to say...

[Atraphoenix]

Sweboz? They are really different story to say...

sweboz needs no tactics just raise a huge army and use numerical superiority and curse gods why they have abandoned them.

sorry but that is the only survival for sweboz. getai AI always dominates middle europe even nearly wipe out sweboz. Plus I hate forest battles so why I always leave them alone.

[Ca Putt]

AP is sometimes vital for success but most AP troops suck at line duty-> you need good line holders. for those high lethality is not necessary but VERY usefull^^ as soon as you have the main roman line engaged storm in from the flanks with your AP dudes.

[Atraphoenix]

though I have not test them hillmen/most axemen have numerical advantage (240) on falxmen (160)
but no idea whether falxmen compensate this with their AP points (axemen around 1.3 falx around 1.6)
but hillmen are wiped out by high lethality units.

[Apázlinemjó]

though I have not test them hillmen/most axemen have numerical advantage (240) on falxmen (160)
but no idea whether falxmen compensate this with their AP points (axemen around 1.3 falx around 1.6)
but hillmen are wiped out by high lethality units.

Let's not forget that some hillmen units have javelins too. They can be quite deadly as flankers.

[Atraphoenix]

Let's not forget that some hillmen units have javelins too. They can be quite deadly as flankers.

by playing nomad factions in fact except saros they becomes settled; how can you use them as flankers? I just send them to pin phalanx while HAs rains death arrows from back...

On the other hand, my statement does not mean hillmen or other AP units are not suited for flanking.
I know, they are great flankers, but who will hold the line against phalanx?
I will try hoplites soon, I tested others phalanx routs them easily.

[Apázlinemjó]

by playing nomad factions in fact except saros they becomes settled; how can you use them as flankers? I just send them to pin phalanx while HAs rains death arrows from back...

On the other hand, my statement does not mean hillmen or other AP units are not suited for flanking.
I know, they are great flankers, but who will hold the line against phalanx?
I will try hoplites soon, I tested others phalanx routs them easily.

They come handy as flankers if you play Pontos, you have phalanxes to hold the line, and hillmen to flank the enemy. Of course you can get better units than them, however Pontos starts with a rather poor economy, so you have to use everything you can. :P

[mountaingoat]

though I have not test them hillmen/most axemen have numerical advantage (240) on falxmen (160)
but no idea whether falxmen compensate this with their AP points (axemen around 1.3 falx around 1.6)
but hillmen are wiped out by high lethality units.

1v1 hillmen vs bastarne ( whom are usually cheaper compared to most hillmen ) , the hillmen will be cut down even after throwing a few spears.

though those axemen are not too bad on the flanks if that is all you can field .

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

often I make first line with sword infantry (letality 0.13 or 0.22, but good armour) and axe or falxs infantry back(ap+ good letality, but poor armour).
I leave spearmen in the side to protect the middle from cavalry (0.17 of letal., good armour, but few effective against sword infantry).

look at Lusitani, they have many units with ap (falcata: letality 0.11), but carry the solifera, a weapon that have ap like pilum.... plus combat bonus in woods..... => Lusitani are the best

try to thrown pilum (or solifera) in back of enemy unit: this is very deadly way for gain victory.

some unit that seems poor for they att/def points, are very interested for their special ability and become the key for victory.