Long live Hannibal (dedicated to romaioi-lovers)

[Moosemanmoo]

Romans killed my leader at Taras yesterday
So six madness filled hours later my new leader sacked Rome
You sire are crazy!

[Jebivjetar]

Romans killed my leader at Taras yesterday
So six madness filled hours later my new leader sacked Rome

Did Rome burn well? oh... ohhh... i can smell the smoke of fire right now... yesss ... mmmmggghh....

[Maion Maroneios]

Well, I'm about to attack Rome herself as well in my campaign. I have Megas Demetrios with his grand army, but the dogs don't seem to give up. It's Pyrrhos all over again. After delivering the Romaioi several beatings (including wiping out a whole generation of Romaioi FMs) and destroying what I though would be the last obstacle between Demetrios and the conquest of Megale Hellas, they send me another full-strength legion and the garrison of Rome was full again. Oh well, they're not universally considered arrogant for nothing right?

Maion

[Moosemanmoo]

Rome was massacred in the most civilised manner by my Makedonians as I roleplayed letting my Gallic mercs loose (why get my nice shiny pikes bloody when they've just been cleaned?)

Arretium has a full stack (where the hell were they two turns ago when Rome needed them?)
At least they've ran out of Samnites

[Jebivjetar]

Rome was massacred

Thant sound like music to my ears... like mantra in my mind... mmmm...

I want you to have this for your good words and brilliant deeds:

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Hannibal was probably the best general in the ancient world, its manoeuvering and enveloping tactic were amazing, and even at Zama, where all the odds were against him, he almost turned the side of the battle with ANOTHER completely innovative tactic.

Publio Cornelio Scipio considered him as a master, and made further innovation to Hannibal's tactic, but in the end Hannibal countered his own tactic!

Isn't this the mark of a GREAT general? Sure it is.

For all the people who say "he was a bad strategos" i say: if he was such a bad strategos, how the hell could he survive so long, almost alone in the heart of Rome's hearthland, turning many and many cities and local tribes by his side? Sure he lost in the end, but only because Carthage was unable tu support him properly, and because Rome's sheer power was simply too much to be defeated by a state who relies mostly on mercenaries for wars.





But it was NOT greek, otherwise i would not like him XD

[Jebivjetar]

Haiku:


Above the Italy
fear is tearing the sky apart
And the fields are burnt and sodden with blood
The dead are screaming in the whisper of the wind


Cannae happen yesterday
...what else should I say...

[johnhughthom]

Jebivjetar (what kinda crazy name is that anyway?), your mad thread makes me chuckle.

[Moosemanmoo]

Jebivjetar (what kinda crazy name is that anyway?), your mad thread makes me chuckle.

But I get baloonz look
Crazy eh?

[Maion Maroneios]

For all the people who say "he was a bad strategos"

I believe nobody with a right mind would call Hannibas a bad Strategos.

Maion

[Jebivjetar]

Jebivjetar (what kinda crazy name is that anyway?), your mad thread makes me chuckle.

Well, jebivjetar in Croatian language is a phrase which you use to describe a shallow person, person who acts like she knows much (but she doesn't know much at all), a person with unsure character etc.

You can translate "jebivjetar" literally as fu_k (jebati) plus wind (vjetar) and you have something like "the person who fu--s the wind"

I use it because is a silly and funny word in my ears.





EDIT: and yes, i want people to chuckle on my words, i opened this thread for laughing about my lame-expressions at the first place! :-))

[Aemilius Paulus]

Well, jebivjetar in Croatian language is a phrase which you use to describe a shallow person, person who acts like she knows much (but she doesn't know much at all), a person with unsure character etc.

You can translate "jebivjetar" literally as fu_k (jebati) plus wind (vjetar) and you have something like "the person who fu--s the wind"

Same in Russian. Jebati or Yebati is the f-word and veter is wind. Did you know that in 15th to 16th century the word "fuck" merely meant "to beat" such as in the sense "to beat in a competition"? Falcons were called wind-fuckers back then.

[Jebivjetar]

But I get baloonz look
Crazy eh?

You deserve it.
You kill romaioi dogs.

[Jebivjetar]

Same in Russian. Jebati or Yebati is the f-word and veter is wind. Did you know that in 15th to 16th century the word "fuck" merely meant "to beat" such as in the sense "to beat in a competition"? Falcons were called wind-fuckers back then.

O, sounds interesting!

But i ain't surprised by similarities since Russian and Croatian languages have much in common, and they belong in the same family AFAIK.

[Aemilius Paulus]

But i ain't surprised by similarities since Russian and Croatian languages have much in common, and they belong in the same family AFAIK.

Yeah, basically, I can understand any written Czech, Serbian, FYROM-ian, Bulgarian, etc. All of them are Slavic, whether in Cyrillic or in Latinitsa.

[Maion Maroneios]

FYROM-ian

A balloon for not being uneducated and calling them by their name:

Maion

[Aemilius Paulus]

A balloon for not being uneducated and calling them by their name:

Thanks Maion, I understand the hypocrisy of that name, but let us stray way from this. So far, I have seen 6 threads get locked because of FYROM. The locking of this thread would only bring joy to the Romaioi sobaki, or kynai

[Maion Maroneios]

Indeed. I was just surprised, that's all. Especially from someone that lives as far away from Greece and the Balkans in general as well, since such people tend to just swallow everything Hollywood or History Channel feeds them.

Maion

[Moosemanmoo]

Thanks Maion, I understand the hypocrisy of that name, but let us stray way from this. So far, I have seen 6 threads get locked because of FYROM. The locking of this thread would only bring joy to the Romaioi sobaki, or kynai

Yeah I made one of them about 2 years ago, the FYROM wasn't even the topic
I thought it was great that it had so many replies but when I saw what they read

[Aemilius Paulus]

Guys. Stop it. Now. Really.

Orrrr, the Romani-loving side of me shall gloat as this thread crashes and burns!

[ARCHIPPOS]

"So many thousands of Romans were lying … Some, whom their wounds, pinched by the morning cold, had roused, as they were rising up, covered with blood, from the midst of the heaps of slain, were overpowered by the enemy. Some were found with their heads plunged into the earth, which they had excavated; having thus, as it appeared, made pits for themselves, and having suffocated themselves." Livy

Still you've got to admire Romans... Hannibal destroyed their legions,pushed through in Italy and carried the war in their homeland... the Carthageneans had wealth,naval superiority, elephants, and some great troops... all the Romans had was a hardened ,disciplined ,militaristic, demographicaly booming society addicted to violence and obsessed with duty and honour, that produced tough footsoldiers and the meanest,most antagonistic bastards of generals and officers... just proves what agreat factor moral is in wars ...

[Mikhail Mengsk]

I'm sorry you're wrong:

- the Carthies DIDN'T have ANY naval superiority, otherwise they would have sent Hannibal more reinforcements

- they had wealth, but its worthless if you can't use them to help your best general. In fact, part of the karthadastim senate didn't support the war at all

- elephants, yes, but they lost almost all before cannae. Hannibal himself didn't trust very much in them

- hannibal's troops were mostly worse equipped than Romans' legionaries. At cannae, he recovered many Roman armors and weapons and re-equipped his troops with them. Hannibal's veterans were some of the best individual warriors of that time, but the Roman legions were much more trained. It was Hannibal who made the difference. Another general would have been defeated shortly after his arrive in central Italy.

- Romans were addicted to VICTORY. The fact of being beaten so bad by a seeming unstoppable daemon shocked them, but thanks to their leaders they didn't surrender. THey resisted, and finally they prevail, thanks to the only Roman general who truly understood Hannibal's tactics: Publio Cornelio Scipio.

They won a war that ANY OTHER COUNTRY at the time would have lost. To keep fighting even when your Legions are being massacred every time they meet the enemy in battle is something that many people simply couldn't understand. That's why Roma won, even before its greater manpower.

[ARCHIPPOS]

yes ,i meant in general the Carthageneans had all those advantages... though Hannibal himself was pretty much left on his own in Italy... it's true the Romans had their fair share of great defeats throughout their history... still each time they chewed up disasters and produced victory... all i'm saying is that what gave them this edge was their societal tendencies... in the end every fight is a contest of wills and the Romans were the most "willed" bastards around...

Fun info... i've read that the battle of Cannae was the single bloodiest day in military history up until Hiroshima ... gives us sth to think abt...

[Teleklos Archelaou]

No explanations needed. Way too many different problems going on in this thread.