Iranian Elections

[Fragony]

Perspective of a HOT exile

http://hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=8678

[HopAlongBunny]

Perspective of a HOT exile

http://hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=8678

Interesting.

So what it boils down to is an internal power struggle between elites with Mousavi taking the "democratic" path since the easy route is closed.

Very ugly...I wonder if the military is likewise split, as they will probably be the ultimate arbiters of settlement. Choice between repression or "glorious revolution" followed by repression...hmm.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Basij an Rev-G's are such a bunch of jerks. I think Khamenei is wildly miscalculating and should have at least bent for the run-off.

This is going to either get really aweful or go on hiatus

[Husar]

Iran is like the Iran of the Middle East.

Now that I said something really clever, I must say the regime is looking a bit like loons, they expel the press, supress demonstrations etc. etc. and now they started saying secret agents from Britain* tried to rig the elections and think about breaking contact with nations who oppose the current regime, yet somehow they seem to think that their people should accept them as the innocent and rightful rulers that they are not.


*for further information about the cruelties of the British Empire and how it wants to take over the world, go here

[Kagemusha]

My hope is getting stronger by the day. People are dying in Iran for freedom. That tells something about their resolve. And not just some students. You see people from all demographics who are united against the totalitarian goverment. I truly hope there is enough will in Iran for revolution.

[rory_20_uk]

The cracks are truely showing... It's official - more votes than voters in 50 cities!

[Fragony]

The dead girl, way to go beards.



The sculpurer doing her statue will have to try hard to match her beauty, but this will be the face of Iran's next revolution.

edit: that girl isn't 16 that can't be her. Oh whatever. Is it just me or are Iranian women very pretty. EA, comfirm.

[Jolt]

The dead girl, way to go beards.



The sculpurer doing her statue will have to try hard to match her beauty, but this will be the face of Iran's next revolution.

edit: that girl isn't 16 that can't be her. Oh whatever. Is it just me or are Iranian women very pretty. EA, comfirm.

No they aren't! They are muslims! They have horns at the back of their heads and have sharp and pointy teeth! I'm surprised you actually called an Iranian Muslim girl beatiful.

I confirm that there have been more votes than voters. Awesome. Isl. Rep. of Iran is FUBAR'd.

[HopAlongBunny]

It's not just you

And now back to your regularly scheduled thread discussion...

[Fragony]

No they aren't! They are muslims! They have horns at the back of their heads and have sharp and pointy teeth! I'm surprised you actually called an Iranian Muslim girl beatiful.

Oh they are beautiful alright, I'd hit it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

No they aren't! They are muslims! They have horns at the back of their heads and have sharp and pointy teeth! I'm surprised you actually called an Iranian Muslim girl beatiful.

I confirm that there have been more votes than voters. Awesome. Isl. Rep. of Iran is FUBAR'd.

Maybe Frag likes horns and pointy teeth? He is Dutch after all, they're in to all sorts of crazy stuff.

Personally, I prefer Lebenese or Palastinian women to Iranians, but they're all beautiful.

OT: I have been saying for the last few days that even if there is a revolution it will probably not turn out how some here want. The things Iranians are now saying seem to sadly bear that out.

On the other hand, a new revolution may get away from the old elite completely.

[Furunculus]

the beebs (historic) role in iranian revolutionary politics:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/edwest/...ollah_to_power

[Devastatin Dave]

Don't watch the video of this poor girl dying. I regret that I did, now her face haunts me.

[Adrian II]

Disgusting. We already had Microsoft, Google and Yahoo conniving with the autocrats in Beijing. Now we learn that Siemens and Nokia built a state-of-the-art internet surveillance system for the Tehran ayatollahs. I'll bet that many western governments have wet dreams about similar capabilities...

The Iranian regime has developed, with the assistance of European telecommunications companies, one of the world's most sophisticated mechanisms for controlling and censoring the Internet, allowing it to examine the content of individual online communications on a massive scale.

Linky

[Nikos_Rouvelas]

Don't watch the video of this poor girl dying. I regret that I did, now her face haunts me.

I second that. What's happening in Iran is disgusting, the people are yearning for freedom and are being met with bullets and tear gas. They may crush this latest revolution, but the dead will be vindicated and it will never be forgotten. Some day Iran will be free, and these brave protesters are sowing the seeds.

[Hooahguy]

israel should get involved.

[CountArach]

israel should get involved.

You had seriously better be joking. The only thing that could be worse for these revolutionaries is for American to get involved.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

You had seriously better be joking. The only thing that could be worse for these revolutionaries is for American to get involved.

No, I don't think that would be worse. Some of the protestors would wlcome America.

[Samurai Waki]

America has it's own problems to deal with, between our own * ups in the Middle East/Central Asia, A Financial Crisis, and low deployment strength. If Iranians really want a representative government, they'll have one; these things don't generally take days, or weeks. The Powers that be aren't just going to roll over, they're going to fight this tooth and nail as it appears. This sort of thing will be years in the making.

[CountArach]

No, I don't think that would be worse. Some of the protestors would wlcome America.

But then the ruling group can just shout American Imperialism from the rooftops and it is all over.

This isn't America's battle to fight. Nor should it be.

[KukriKhan]

No, I don't think that would be worse. Some of the protestors would wlcome America.

Some reports have the protesters wondering about UN help. Sadly "dismay" and "hope" is as strong as their gonna get.

They're on their own, and now they know it. God bless and keep them. A General Strike has been called for tomorrow (beginning right about now, Iran-time). I'm staying away from work Tuesday, in solidarity. Today: I am Persian. (As pathetic and insignificant as my tiny little action might be.)

[Hooahguy]

You had seriously better be joking. The only thing that could be worse for these revolutionaries is for American to get involved.

you got it.

[CountArach]

Thanks to the Huffington Post for the link to this uplifting video of rallies around the world in support of the protestors.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

But then the ruling group can just shout American Imperialism from the rooftops and it is all over.

This isn't America's battle to fight. Nor should it be.

I didn't say any of that, I was simply pointing out:

America>Israel in this instance.

[Devastatin Dave]

But then the ruling group can just shout American Imperialism from the rooftops and it is all over.

This isn't America's battle to fight. Nor should it be.

Exactly, I'm hoping, believe it or not, Obama does not take the bait on this and does not allow this to become a West Imperialism war cry for Anotherdinnerjacket and his thug government. I mourn the loss of these brave men and women, but lets face the facts and understand that even if there is a "revolution" who knows what the next group of muslim nutters that take over won't be as crazy as the last group.

[seireikhaan]

Devastatin Dave = CountArach



On a serious note, though, I wish Iran luck. Things are already bad, and now that Khomeini has pigeonholed himself into support of Achmadinijad, this isn't going to get better any time soon, methinks. Hopefully a stable, secure, peaceful, and freer Iran can emerge from this.

[Devastatin Dave]

Devastatin Dave = CountArach

Actually, I wouldn't agree completely with that equation. I have the belief that the religion of Islam will never permit peace or stablility as long as there is a Western, Judeo-Christain, Buddist, Hindu, Shinto, or for that matter, a secular nation on earth. Islam mean submit and there can never be peace until either Islam is eradicated or the muslim eradicates the infidels. No offense to the muslims here, its just were I stand the moderate muslim will NEVER be able to control their more radical bretheren and the moderate will always lose to the rasical because the radical is the true Islam, sorry to say.

I'm sure Count has a very different opinion. He'll believe, like many on this board, that Islam is a peacefull religion even until the dull knife finally severs their skull from their neck.

Good luck Iran

[Samurai Waki]

While I could say a rebuttal to this, I think this subject of "Islam is teh evil" has been hashed and rehashed so many times over, that I just don't care anymore to even respectfully disagree, while coming up with points to counter this so-called sense of "fact." Believe what you will, but its ridiculous.

[CountArach]

I'm sure Count has a very different opinion. He'll believe, like many on this board, that Islam is a peacefull religion even until the dull knife finally severs their skull from their neck.

I believe that both sides are wrong. The Islamophobe view is so beat-up and the Islamophile view is clearly not at odds with reality. I have the same problem with Islam that I have with every other religion.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Heh, I just wish McCain would shut his pie-hole. The world doesn't revolve around the US and his hypocritically arrogant "we're more moral defenders of human rights & freedoms" than Obama, the Democrats, and the rest of the world etal; does more damage to the reformists in Iran and the Republican Party's image with the rest of the world. Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees...