Europe

[Beskar]

If I actually said my true beliefs then people here would simply dismiss them because they are far further down the pipe-line. The idea of minimising trade-discrepancy is classed as "Out there" and "long-term" at the moment.

However, I am going to raise up some points, which show some weird contridictions or a bias.

The UK is a mess, I would also put it that the EU is a mess, the best thing to do is to stop and fix the problems....

Apologise for cutting your vote short, but I hold the same opinion, Britain is a mess, the whole idea we even still have a monarch is stupid and backwards. The idea there are MP's who stated that the public should have no say in regards to Tax Payers money and even belief they are better than the people they are serving.

you say that the average man doesn't know what is good for him. What distinguishes you from the average man?

Want the really short answer? I voted. Yes, only 33% or so of the population voted in the MEP elections and even most of them went to a complete waste. By this fact alone, the average person doesn't even bother to vote, most likely has minimum or no interest in politics and simply don't even care. Such behaviour causes mass idiocies and allows the government to get away with signing things like the Lisbon treaty without countries even having a say in the matter. Majority of this general apathy is to do with the lack of democracy in the system.

The long story is that I believe I am different for reasons, that doesn't mean I am better, it just means I am different. Like a lawyer to a doctor to an accountant. They are different but one is not better than another as a whole.

That he holds such thoughts and entertains them, tells me that the USSR didn't die , it simply got smarter

You are confusing political ideology, as I am on the opposite side to the USSR. The USSR is a totalitarian regime which believes in complete centralisation and control. I believe the power should be in the hands of the people in direct democracy system and ministers/mp's/etc are merely elected civil servants who follow the will of the people and have no power as such themselves in a sense that it doesn't create a new class. Actually, if anything, the world is coming far more like the USSR, how many of your freedoms have been curbed in the "fight against terror" ? It is like the joke of "In Mother Russia, TV watches you" now, London is the CCTV capital of the world, it brings those Mother Russia jokes to reality. Except, I am advocating a change from that, however, I am being thrown in with the Status Quo opposed to my progressive policies which defends liberties and civil rights?

Beskar and the other EU centralists want one big happy state with adminstrative districts called France, Germany etc. Can't say as I favor that for Europe either, though ultimately its up to them not to me.

I have two answers for this.

The current system of employing this, I am against, it is a guise by elites in enslaving the populations further against the will of the people. The other answer is, it can be done right where people actually have more power from it.

It is wrong to envision empowering people? It is wrong to able throw a bunch of people into one pool and go "You support the idea of a European Federation, you want to recreate the USSR!" when my policies and beliefs are drastically different and instead of attempting to see it that way, it simply gets dismissed or ignored.

You have no right to dictate merely because you believe you know best. Such thinking has in the past led to mass burnings of heretics for the good of the Respublica Christiana.

I know! I mean, Martin Luther spoke against the Catholic Church and look now, we have these protestants. You have William Wilberforce, so sure of his convictions against the British Slave Trade, even when all these people were lining their pockets at the expense of captured-africans. Thanks to his dedication, it played a massive part in ending this suffering.

Please don't use stupid examples, I can pull out loads of good ones.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I know! I mean, Martin Luther spoke against the Catholic Church and look now, we have these protestants. You have William Wilberforce, so sure of his convictions against the British Slave Trade, even when all these people were lining their pockets at the expense of captured-africans. Thanks to his dedication, it played a massive part in ending this suffering.

Please don't use stupid examples, I can pull out loads of good ones.

I used very apt examples. Luthor had the backing of his local elite, as did Huss before he was betrayed, condemned and burned. Wilberforce was an MP, it took him decades to make his case, but he did. Conviction is no bad thing, trying to ram-rod others into your way of thinking by force is a very bad thing.

That is what the Roman Catholic Church tried to do, that is was the Oligarchs of the EU are trying to do. Interestingly, both were grand plans to unify Europe and both were vehemently resisted at the grass-roots level.

[Furunculus]

that would certainly seem to be the case.

20+ years ago participation in euro elections and enthusiasm for the EU started in the high sixities percentage wise.

after 20+ years of creeping federalism, participation in euro elections and enthusiasm for the EU sits in the low thirties.

correlation much?