Europe

[Beskar]

Goes against fundamental values of any true democracy. It isn't a democracy is there is a monarch/dictator/any form of authoritarian leader. So the point is not valid.

[Furunculus]

Goes against fundamental values of any true democracy. It isn't a democracy is there is a monarch/dictator/any form of authoritarian leader. So the point is not valid.

so the people get representative government when their needs meet your expectations of what is reasonable, and when they are being unereasonable they do not get that representative government.

dang those misguided proles, bring closer the glorious day when all work to the common good of the socialist paradise.

[Beskar]

What are you on about? I been speaking about direct democracy. The fundamental tenets of democracy is that everyone is equal. There are no divisions based on wealth, birth or other variables. Any elected official is merely an administrative puppet of the people, not a ruler of the people and the power remains with the people.

Or are you objecting against democracy?

Please, you are trying to make out I am authoritarian because I because in the people holding power not "those at the top" or "beaucrats" or "those of noble birth" etc. If anything, you are supporting authoritarianism by opposing policies and beliefs which are against them.

[Tribesman]

keep nitpicking, you're making a great contribution to this discussion.

Stop writing bollox then it won't be picked apart .
Your whole angle on the voting issue is so warped its laughable.
Leaving aside that your history was wrong and your numbers wrong just look at the ridiculous explanation you tried for the changes in voting trends.

[Furunculus]

Stop writing bollox then it won't be picked apart .
Your whole angle on the voting issue is so warped its laughable.
Leaving aside that your history was wrong and your numbers wrong just look at the ridiculous explanation you tried for the changes in voting trends.

what history was wrong?
what numbers were wrong? (are we still pushing the defence figures Tribesman?)
what is wrong with my posited explanation with voting trends?

[Tribesman]

what history was wrong?
what numbers were wrong? (are we still pushing the defence figures Tribesman?)

No not still on about the 2nd means 4th figures , this is about the history of the votes and the invented figures and trends you used.

what is wrong with my posited explanation with voting trends?

It starts to fall apart with even the briefest examination , then when you really look it becomes obvious that the explanation is nothing but bollox.

This ....

What you do is, you take a history that is completely off to begin with, drastically simplify it, and then from this simplification deduce an entire world system. It has no bearing on reality.

...really sums it up as an overall explanation of your approach to a wide range of issues.

[Furunculus]

No not still on about the 2nd means 4th figures ,

this is about the history of the votes and the invented figures and trends you used.

It starts to fall apart with even the briefest examination , then when you really look it becomes obvious that the explanation is nothing but bollox.

This (louis quote i believe) really sums it up as an overall explanation of your approach to a wide range of issues.

good, because you were wrong.

have voting figures not declined from sixties to forties in the past 20 years, and is that not a decline of a third?

why does it fall apart? frankly no one can say categorically why voting in UK national elections has declined so dramatically, that which i positied has been mentioned as a possible reason that is no more or less credible than any other. why is it incredible that voters lose interest in their politicians as a direct relationship to the trend of politicians goving away the powers that let them affect the lives of their electorate?

that is what you believe, and i don't hold many flattering opinions about you opinions either................ so what?

[Furunculus]

are the european conservatives and reformists going to break into germany?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...kels-back.html

be careful frau merkel! :D

and too think people thought this would last six months?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Goes against fundamental values of any true democracy. It isn't a democracy is there is a monarch/dictator/any form of authoritarian leader. So the point is not valid.

What if the leader is a paternalistic/maternalistic leader chosen by the country's legislature, and rules by the consent and endorsement of the people.

That is, after all, the constitutional position.