Naked units?

[Celtic_Punk]

You are speaking about a conflict between two first rate militaries. Where battles result in numberless casualties on both sides. Where as on the MODERN battlefield things are not so brutal or bloody. The casualty counts are much lower. The amount of enemy ordinance fired as us is exponentially lower. And we're fighting people who have no damn clue how to fire a rifle, let alone execute complicated infantry manoeuvres. Hill boys, all of them, flippin' hillboys.

You can hear the rounds from the Taliban flying over their heads, green red and yellow tracers all up the line, and nobody cares. Its the most intense, incredible, and probably pretty fun experience anyone can experience. All this changes when a friend goes down though. Things change from counting the one's you drop to getting your buddy out alive if he still is. The gravity of the situation changes. collapsing back on your vehicle is probably a lot more scary than when you rushed out of it. Especially when you are providing covering fire for your buddy bleeding from his chest profusely. As long as everything is fine, your havin' the time of your life.

As far as snipers go? The vast majority of those clowns can't hit anything to begin with. Line up the top 10 shooters of the tallywally-ban, and I could outshoot em all on any given day. And you can quote me on that.


Like naked celts, the taliban rely on fear as their weapon. The only thing we're scared of is the road exploding. And even thats in the back of the mind of EVERY soldier, except the doctors that pick up the pieces afterwards. Its a lottery, when your number is picked, its your time. There's nothing you can do. If you live by that, nothing should scare you.

EDIT: to Mikhail Mengsk - Nearly every morning he's woken up by mortar barrages inside the perimeter. 81mm mortars are no howitzers, yeah, but thats still heavy duty ordinance. Thats an artillery barrage in my book, and the army's.
This is not 'Nam. The man in the black pyjamas was a worthy adversary. These clowns can't tell a receiver from a firing pin for chrissake.

[Mikhail Mengsk]

You are speaking about a conflict between two first rate militaries. Where battles result in numberless casualties on both sides. Where as on the MODERN battlefield things are not so brutal or bloody. The casualty counts are much lower. The amount of enemy ordinance fired as us is exponentially lower. And we're fighting people who have no damn clue how to fire a rifle, let alone execute complicated infantry manoeuvres. Hill boys, all of them, flippin' hillboys.

You can hear the rounds from the Taliban flying over their heads, green red and yellow tracers all up the line, and nobody cares. Its the most intense, incredible, and probably pretty fun experience anyone can experience. All this changes when a friend goes down though. Things change from counting the one's you drop to getting your buddy out alive if he still is. The gravity of the situation changes. collapsing back on your vehicle is probably a lot more scary than when you rushed out of it. Especially when you are providing covering fire for your buddy bleeding from his chest profusely. As long as everything is fine, your havin' the time of your life.

As far as snipers go? The vast majority of those clowns can't hit anything to begin with. Line up the top 10 shooters of the tallywally-ban, and I could outshoot em all on any given day. And you can quote me on that.


Like naked celts, the taliban rely on fear as their weapon. The only thing we're scared of is the road exploding. And even thats in the back of the mind of EVERY soldier, except the doctors that pick up the pieces afterwards. Its a lottery, when your number is picked, its your time. There's nothing you can do. If you live by that, nothing should scare you.

EDIT: to Mikhail Mengsk - Nearly every morning he's woken up by mortar barrages inside the perimeter. 81mm mortars are no howitzers, yeah, but thats still heavy duty ordinance. Thats an artillery barrage in my book, and the army's.
This is not 'Nam. The man in the black pyjamas was a worthy adversary. These clowns can't tell a receiver from a firing pin for chrissake.

Pretty easy to be the superpower who fight the poorly armed and trained insurgents, isn't it?

Pretty easy to be able to call the air cavalry and the heavy artillery every time you want.

Pretty easy to call in an air strike and to level entire villages to the ground before even attacking.

Pretty easy talking about clowns, tallywally and flippin' hillboys when you are a fully trained (one of the best of the world, no problem to recognize it) and equipped (same thing) modern soldier, and you have all kind of support available today.

Next time invade a comparable modern military nation like China, Germany or Russia, you will see the combat from another point of view. 81mm mortars, what a HUGE artillery barrage! Try to be on the receiving end of a 220mm thermobaric artillery like Russian TOS. You will find it pretty scary, i think.



Quote: Ludens

On the other hand, there are psychological and physiological differences between acute stress and chronic stress. An ancient battle must have been a terrifying experience, but outside of the battlefield you were mostly safe. Modern warriors on the other hand have to be constantly on their guard, because even when in camp they can still be attacked by snipers or mortar fire. There is no sanctuary for them anymore. I think that must contribute too to problem.

That's what i'm talking about: continuous stress led to mental collapse. In antiquity, after the decisive battle (that was relatively shorter than a modern battle) a soldier had time to recover and rest. For soldiers, being effectively away from the front is a very very good think for their mental health.



Quote: Celtic Punk

plus stalin killed like 90% of his officers because they weren't commies.

Totally wrong, both percentage and reasons.

[ARCHIPPOS]

this is slowly turning into a thread abt politics me thinks... if you want to talk politics that's fine just do it on msn...

In Vietnam the Americans lost not to the Commies nor to the hippies back home... Vietnamese people were a traditionalist agricultural society who viewed western influences as corruptive and demoralizing... aren't you guys intrigued by the fact that the technocratic bourgeois goverment that the Americans tried to institute in South Vietnam was overwhelmed by corruption and inefficacy??? the Vietnamese people never believed in the west which was cosidered as ALIEN the US/French urban "modern" paradigm was foreign to their culture...

Similarly the Soviets lost the Afghanistan war against a tribal society and from all looks the US are going to lose there too (for the same reasons) ... this is not a question of ideologies or weapons or tactics or training but of modes of living: tribal vs technocratic, agricultural vs technocratic and so on...

Alexander (who was a genious) immediately understood this and respected and implemented eastern tribalism in his political vision... he used the persian nobility and fused it along with the Greek , respected eastern Gods and customs ...for these reasons the Seleucids and the Bactrians ruled there for however long ...

The Romans tried to project urbanism in the west "barbarian" tribal regions... this endeavour proved successful but was a lengthy expensive process which took centuries of colonising,infrastructure,assimilation and huge amounts of manpower (raw military)...

[Watchman]

Now you're just talking in gross stereotypes, generalisations and plain bad data.