KOTF mod

**Ramses II CP** · 07-06-2009, 22:02

I have limited experience with LTC gold, but I'd say the main improvements to the AI are on the strategy map, in terms of tactics during actual combat it is still limited by it's failure to understand terrain and movement factors. The AI does a much better job guarding cities and bringing reasonable stacks to the fight, but it's just as easy to lead it around and surround it once the fight starts.

I don't have enough looks at the revised diplomacy to tell if it really matters at VH/VH, but I think we should play there. The road should be fairly difficult IMHO.

I will say that I'm very glad we don't have an HA heavy faction. It's just too easy. Also I recommend that people avoid charging directly into set formations of spearmen with their bodyguards. In LotR we had BGs that could butcher armies, which made it difficult to tell when your character was about to die. In LTC if you bog down after a frontal charge at spears above the militia level you will die. Pin them and hit them from behind, or run them until they'll break on impact, etc. Victories need to be won on morale more than brute force, more like what we did in KotR (when not facing 3x gold stacks).

**econ21** · 07-06-2009, 22:41

Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

. Victories need to be won on morale more than brute force, ...

I have not played the mod, but looking at the unit stats (compared to vanilla), that sounds like good advice. Morale values seem unaltered - the AI will run just as much as before. But those spears are sharp now.

**Zim** · 07-07-2009, 00:20

Does anyone know how large the LTC is? I was not able to get to an acquaintance's comp with much better internet access today and was wondering about the feasibility of downloading it on dialup.

**ULC** · 07-07-2009, 00:22

Originally Posted by Zim

Does anyone know how large the LTC is? I was not able to get to an acquaintance's comp with much better internet access today and was wondering about the feasibility of downloading it on dialup.

Less then 500Mb if IIRC

**Zim** · 07-07-2009, 01:16

86.4 MB in zipped form, apparently. It probably unzips to 500...

Anyone think any of the mini mods on the LTC site will do us any good?

This one looks neat but likely changes too much (and changes starting date)...maybe for SP sometime.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=166563

**econ21** · 07-07-2009, 09:18

Originally Posted by Zim

Anyone think any of the mini mods on the LTC site will do us any good?

The mini-mod you linked to is interesting - especially increased movement for agents (they crawl in M2TW) - but I agree it changes too much.

Personally, I think it would be best to stick to plain LTC. The mod is very polished (it's a gold version) and in its final form (Lusted is working at CA). Mini-mods will introduce some risk of instability, as they tend to be more works in progress. After player apathy, instability is the worst nightmare for a PBM (one thing that has put me off EB for a PBM - many players report getting so far and then get a crash they cannot go beyond). With the mini-mod for RTR that we used in WotS, IIRC we encountered a crash issue that fortunately we could work around but by the end were using an outdated version of the mod that was not available for download. It was worth using that mini-mod for the in-game Roman ranks, but since then we have developed our own ideas for ranks and titles.