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    I once saw a documentary that exposed clear links between masons Rauschning, Hitler, Hänel, Hänsel and Gretel.

    It was very compelling.
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    The Prieuré de Sion has never existed except in the imagination of the madman who wrote about it and claimed to be a member. Dan Brown can keep on writing amateurish books about it
    Technically it did. The 2 people who invented it were surrealist so they created a reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando
    Man this stuff is so frustrating, I never know what to think when it comes to the net.
    I know. In revisionist circles 'five years of study' could mean anything. I have always known that Rauschning's book was more impressionistic than literally accurate, but I didn't know it had been unmasked as a deliberate fake. I don't have the Hänel book obviously, but I happen to have the original Hitler m'a dit in my library. At first I thought it was rather fishy when Hänel wrote that Rauschning claimed to have had 'over a hundred conversations' with Hitler, because nowhere in the book does Rauschning claim that number. But apparently this is what he said to his Paris editor Reves, who confirmed this to Hänel personally.

    What is even more puzzling, in hindsight, is the little Goethe quote that precedes the Foreword:

    Ist es schatten, ist es wirklichkeit?
    Wie wird mein pudel lang und breit!


    Is it shadow, is it reality?
    How my poodle is growing tall and strong!

    If the conversations in the book are not reality, they certainly are reality's shadow. Rauschning seems to have had an uncanning ability to gauge Hitler, his motifs, his plans and schemes. Take page 155, where he mimicks Hitler's attitude toward Russia: I may, as a last resort, decide to ally with Russia, but it should be a surprise, like a good poker hand. And even if I do, nothing will stop me from attacking Russia regardless, as soon as it suits me.

    I've looked into the more serious sources, such as Der Spiegel and Stern. Mind you, Stern has a dented reputation as well - remember the fake Hitler diaries? So I wouldn't easily accept their judgement either. But both weeklies are very firm in their conviction that Hänel did a good job. And several academic history sites as well as acclaimed historians like Ian Kershaw appear to be convinced by Hänel 's research.

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    I once saw a documentary that exposed clear links between masons Rauschning, Hitler, Hänel, Hänsel and Gretel.

    It was very compelling.
    Must have been on the History Channel. Kurando and his millions of freemason friends are all in on this thing as well.

    Now Louis, about that handshake of yours..
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    Wolfgang Hänel wrote (according to various reviews I saw) that Rauschning took a passage from Guy de Maupassant's short story Le Horla and put the words in Hitler's mouth. Apparently this is the passage where Hitler claimed to see the devil.

    The devil's name in the story is 'le Horla', a name construed by Maupassant himself and probably derived from 'hors de là' (beyond there) or 'hors la loi' (beyond the law).

    In Rauschning's book on page 284 it says Hitler 'called for help' one night and, perched on the side of his bed and shaking in panic, muttered: 'C'est lui, c'est lui. Il est venu ici!' (It's him, it's him. He has come here!). A few moments later he supposedly cried out: 'Là! Là! dans le coin. Qui est là?' ('There! There! in the corner. Who is that?').

    Well, the passage in Maupassant is not the same, just slightly similar. It reads: 'Le Horla... c'est lui... le Horla... il est venu !...' ('The Horla... it's him... the Horla... he has come!...').

    Hitler's words in Rauschning may be fake as Hänel claims, but it is highly improbable that this passage was taken from Maupassant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II View Post
    Now Louis, about that handshake of yours..
    Handshake? What handshake?

    Do you mean the supersecret handshake where one's right pinky ticks the backside of the other's thumb trice? No, never heard of it, I'm afriad.


    psst...Kurando: Adrian's onto us. He's started digging. Soon he'll discover the prory of Sion is real after all. We must dispose of the meddlesome pest immediately.

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    Got history channel international a couple of days ago after our digital tv provider decided to reshuffle the channels. It's not that bad, good for a lazy afternoon. If I want history I'll read a book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanus View Post
    If I want history I'll read a book.
    If I want history, I make it.

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