French King's Court - SS6.2 Hotseat Council Thread

[Chaotix]

The Archbishop of Reims' eyes flare up when the Duke of Ancona reveals his map. His voice crashes down on the Council with terrible imprecation and menace:

Retract your blashphemous claims from the lands of the Holy See at once or you shall soon find yourself at odds with France and many members of this Council! The Holy Father is not some sort of unaligned, petty prince whose frivolous claims can be pushed aside! Should your armies dare to even set foot within his dominion, be assured that France and all those who wish to call her friend will drive down upon you with such a terrible wrath that nothing of your demesne will remain standing and your vile heresy will be wiped from the pages of the histories! It is already bold enough for you to menace your christian neighbors in Genoa, do not compound your impious greed with sins.

Turning towards the Fatimid envoy and cooling the fire of his words, the Archbishop continues:

Your demands to restrain the movement of agents in your lands is understandable, but since the Holy City of Jerusalem falls within your sphere of influence, surely, you would allow the faithful and the duly appointed representatives of the Christian Kings of Europe to have access to such an important site? It would be viewed most auspiciously if you would grant us such a right.

OOC:

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I don't see what the big deal about the pope is, here. There's no more crusades, so there's not much point besides role-playing a casus belli for an excommunication. Nevertheless, if the rest of Europe highly disagrees with me, I don't really need Rome anyway. I expect that, in this case, nobody else will be making their own claims on the Papacy, then.

The Duke of Ancona, once he has returned from his unexpected and urgent business, takes a look at the scroll where the discussion has been recorded, and stands to make a deep apology.

"The Republic of Venice would wish to make an apology towards the Papal State of Rome. There appears to have been a... mistake in the intelligence that our nation has gathered as of late. The Doge and myself had been led to believe that the Pope no longer held sway over the hearts of the kings and sovereigns of Europe in this day and age. We know for sure that, should he wish to call a crusade to Jerusalem now, not a single one of you would take up arms and the cross for Christendom.

Clearly, this is not so, and I would beg the forgiveness of my peers and His Holiness himself for such a sacrilegious statement. Venice rejects all of its unjust claims on the Holy City; however, as this seems to be the only opposition, all other claims will stand. The Doge will soon be sending a private messenger to the Holy Roman Emperor to speak of the ownership of Emilia-Romagna and the city of Bologna; as he has not deigned to send his representative here yet, we have no way of knowing his own opinion on the matter."

With that, the Duke lets out a deep sigh and takes a seat.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OOC:

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I don't see what the big deal about the pope is, here. There's no more crusades, so there's not much point besides role-playing a casus belli for an excommunication. Nevertheless, if the rest of Europe highly disagrees with me, I don't really need Rome anyway. I expect that, in this case, nobody else will be making their own claims on the Papacy, then.

The Duke of Ancona, once he has returned from his unexpected and urgent business, takes a look at the scroll where the discussion has been recorded, and stands to make a deep apology.

"The Republic of Venice would wish to make an apology towards the Papal State of Rome. There appears to have been a... mistake in the intelligence that our nation has gathered as of late. The Doge and myself had been led to believe that the Pope no longer held sway over the hearts of the kings and sovereigns of Europe in this day and age. We know for sure that, should he wish to call a crusade to Jerusalem now, not a single one of you would take up arms and the cross for Christendom.

Clearly, this is not so, and I would beg the forgiveness of my peers and His Holiness himself for such a sacrilegious statement. Venice rejects all of its unjust claims on the Holy City; however, as this seems to be the only opposition, all other claims will stand. The Doge will soon be sending a private messenger to the Holy Roman Emperor to speak of the ownership of Emilia-Romagna and the city of Bologna; as he has not deigned to send his representative here yet, we have no way of knowing his own opinion on the matter."

With that, the Duke lets out a deep sigh and takes a seat.

OOC: the problem is you are still talking to a bunch of catholics nations about taking over Rome..... would not go over good then, so we responded just like they would have to these claims.

[phonicsmonkey]

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OOC: exactly, we were RP'ing. Also, the Pope will still be able to excommunicate us, with all the attendent misery that brings, so he does play some role in the game.

Regarding Crusades, as I understand it we won't be allowed to join in-game crusades called by the Pope, but there's nothing stopping us from RP'ing a crusade if we all wanted to join forces and kick some heathen ass, so long as we don't use the in-game mechanic to get free units etc.

[The Lemongate]

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OOC: and you can be 100% sure that I, for one, will be a crusading zealot - even moreso against excommunicated heathens we simply do not use the in-game mechanism for crusades and jihads because they are unbalancing

this also theoretically means that the 4th crusade is totally role-playable and that the devastation of Hungarian lands by reckless crusaders (as well as their total annihilation by the Hungarian King, is possible as well

being a friend of the pope so as not to be excommed is, in this perspective, probably even more important then in the regular games as "crusades" will be mostly left to the whims of individual players, or worse, coalition of players


Oh, and please everyone, follow Chaotix's very good example and put OOC stuff in spoilers. It makes the rest of the thread look so neater that way

[Ignoramus]

The Aragonese emissary, Garcia de Hierro, places a large document on the middle of the council's table.

Here is the Treaty of Paris, but lately signed between the Kingdom of France and the Crown of Aragon. I advise all emissaries to take note.

"The Treaty of Paris - 1080

The Kingdom of France pledges full support to the Crown of Aragon should war break out between the Christian kingdoms of Spain and the Moors.

The Crown of Aragon and the Kingdom of France will permit one emissary to reside at each other's royal court permanently in order for speedy conducting of diplomatic affairs.

The Crown of Aragon permits the presence of French clergy in her lands, and encourages missionary efforts on the behalf of the Kingdom of France.

The Crown of Aragon recognises French suzerainty over the currently rebellious lands of Gascony and Provence.

The Kingdom of France recongises Aragonese suzerainty over the Kingdom of Navarra and the Emirate of Valencia, which includes the Balearic Isles."

[Merlox]

The Fatamid would would shake his head

I just smell the scent of greed. A small kingdom obtaining a full military might of france, and use it as a children's playtoy. Hopefully he means a Defensive alliance, or we will most likely see a war declaration by aragon onto the moors very shortly, and only moors and frenchmen dying, while the aragons sit back, or help the frenchmen with the whole aragon army, which is really only 300 men at most that can throw a javalin, then run for their lives.

You have only just tried to break ties between us two religions with a proposal like that, you include the Moors so much as a violent nation, but they have not even threatened you yet. You have the nerve to try to push a nation that is well over 4 times the number of land area, and population with out even giving them something so that they could be happy with the term? You sir, Fail at proposing proposals, Here...

The Fatamid would grow a smirk on his face.

I have a new worthwhile treaty that france would be interested as well. Aragon officials commit suicide, which would cause disbandment of this so called kingdom you call it, and gives all of their lands to France. As they seem to know what to do with it better, and to get you out of this court to prevent any more of your messy proposals which just lead to anger. Yes... Oh wait... That doesn't include your say... now does it?

The Fatamid would sit down with disgust.

[Chaotix]

The Fatamid would would shake his head

I just smell the scent of greed. A small kingdom obtaining a full military might of france, and use it as a children's playtoy. Hopefully he means a Defensive alliance, or we will most likely see a war declaration by aragon onto the moors very shortly, and only moors and frenchmen dying, while the aragons sit back, or help the frenchmen with the whole aragon army, which is really only 300 men at most that can throw a javalin, then run for their lives.

You have only just tried to break ties between us two religions with a proposal like that, you include the Moors so much as a violent nation, but they have not even threatened you yet. You have the nerve to try to push a nation that is well over 4 times the number of land area, and population with out even giving them something so that they could be happy with the term? You sir, Fail at proposing proposals, Here...

The Fatamid would grow a smirk on his face.

I have a new worthwhile treaty that france would be interested as well. Aragon officials commit suicide, which would cause disbandment of this so called kingdom you call it, and gives all of their lands to France. As they seem to know what to do with it better, and to get you out of this court to prevent any more of your messy proposals which just lead to anger. Yes... Oh wait... That doesn't include your say... now does it?

The Fatamid would sit down with disgust.

The Duke of Ancona smirks at the Saracen emissary.

"Sir, have you not done the same thing, in agreeing to an alliance with the Turks?

Surely the only reason for this, besides defense, of course, is so that you might snatch away a piece of Greece once the inevitable war between the two begins? The Venetians know very well the ways of men. Luckily, for the most part our state has left greed for land in exchange for a greed for profit. Outside Italy, we have very little interest in land, besides perhaps another trading and resupplying post like Iraklion."

The Duke, blunt as a Venetian warhammer, is satisfied with his comment, and awaits the hypocrite's answer.