Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[ULC]

Vote:YLC I agree with gib on this one.
YLC: 2 (gibsonsg91921, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: s (Reenk Roink,GeneralHankerchief)
DiY:1 (Beefy187)
Khazaar: 1 (A Very Super Market)
Ichigo:1 (pevergreen)

Updated tally.

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[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: GeneralHankerchief




YLC: 2 (gibsonsg91921, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 2 (Reenk Roink,GeneralHankerchief)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (White_Eyes:D, Askthepizzaguy)
DiY:1 (Beefy187)
Khazaar: 1 (A Very Super Market)
Ichigo:1 (pevergreen)
Reenk Roink:1 (Beskar)
Beefy:1 (Jolt)
pevergreen: 1 (Lord Winter)


Abstain: (Death is Yonder)

[Sigurd]

vote: Reenk Roink

We need more than Michael Jackson... and it will give us ample opportunity to call a third on a bandwagon.

[Death is yonder]

Waitt a minute!

Vote:YLC I agree with gib on this one.

Lets see, you agree with Gibson's interesting reasoning

Still trying to wash the scum from your vote selling out of my pores...

Unvote; Abstain
Vote: DJGingivitis



Welcome to mafia.




Edited Wrong Tally out to remove confusion

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your tally, she wants to be re-checked so badly.

[Death is yonder]

YLC: 2 (Gibson, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 2(Reenk,GH)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
GH: 2(Whiteeyes, ATPG)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
DIY: 1 (Beefy)
Beefy: 1(Jolt)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)
DJ: 1(DiY)

Rechecked

[DJGingivitis]

Death I would just like to say, 2nd vote. Sigurd voted me earlier. Just thought I would point that out.

[Death is yonder]

My reading skills are terrible today...

Still, that is besides the point of my accusation.

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: DIY

Communist.

[Beefy187]

Vote:Abstain

'Cause I'm wondering why is there 1 kill and 2 mafia.

Edit:

DIY: Why?
Beefy: Vote: DiY
DIY: Why?
Beefy: Vote: DiY
DIY: Why?
Beefy: Vote DiY

Waitt a minute!



Lets see, you agree with Gibson's interesting reasoning


Unvote; Abstain
Vote: DJGingivitis



Welcome to mafia.




Edited Wrong Tally out to remove confusion

I foreseen the future . Anyone who votes for newcomers in early round must be desperate to find a reason to vote for someone.

[Death is yonder]

Precisely! Which is why we must turn to the ever reliable form of proper manners, retaliation voting! Thank you Mr Beefy, for your kind consideration in reminding me

Unvote;DJ
Vote:Beefy

Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: DIY

Communist.

Tsk, your just sad you're a peace monger now

YLC: 2 (Gibson, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 2(Reenk,GH)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
GH: 2(Whiteeyes, ATPG)
Beefy: 2(Jolt,DiY)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

Excellent 6 way tie people, I marvel at your attempts for a mass execution

[atheotes]

i would bet the person who killed me is one of the townies from the "cold winter" game... i think it could be Beskar

[TinCow]

Reenk Roink is just doing a cheap OMGUS vote, because I called him out yesterday. Now he is contributing nothing to the town other than copy and pasting lyrics. So I am placing bets on that it is a Mafia trying to stall the town, don't have time for slackers.

Vote: Reenk Roink

vote: Reenk Roink

We need more than Michael Jackson... and it will give us ample opportunity to call a third on a bandwagon.

This is interesting. Reenk is just being Reenk. Humorous nonsense along with a vote with no explanation. That's actually par for the course for early-game Reenk as far as I can tell. Beskar's reaction is understandable, given that he's the target of Reenk's nonsense and probably doesn't realize that this is jut how Reenk plays. However, Sigurd certainly knows Reenk's playing style, which makes his vote more curious.

What are you up to Sigurd?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think Beskar's been around the block long enough now to recognize Reenk's playstyle.

[Beskar]

Being honest, top of my head, I haven't played with Reenk Roink before.
(Cold Winter doesn't count, as he was lynched first round.)

Actually, Atheotes, I didn't kill you, however, if you wonder who might want to kill some one, you did first round kill Reenk Roink on his first game back. So using your argument, there are better choices out there.

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk Roink is just doing a cheap OMGUS vote, because I called him out yesterday. Now he is contributing nothing to the town other than copy and pasting lyrics. So I am placing bets on that it is a Mafia trying to stall the town, don't have time for slackers.

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'm typing these lyrics out by hand while listening to to songs!

Retaliation voting (the Hollywood term is OMGUS) is one of the most noble and sensible reasons for voting, not to mention it's pragmatic reasons are through the roof. You seem to be falling into a trap of taking Mafia cliches as axioms...

I'd say this is how the town gets exploited...

However, this was not a retaliation vote. I think their is a pattern between you and Askthepizzaguy in that you both are trying to defend each other...

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This is interesting. Reenk is just being Reenk. Humorous nonsense along with a vote with no explanation. That's actually par for the course for early-game Reenk as far as I can tell. Beskar's reaction is understandable, given that he's the target of Reenk's nonsense and probably doesn't realize that this is jut how Reenk plays. However, Sigurd certainly knows Reenk's playing style, which makes his vote more curious.

What are you up to Sigurd?

His post kinda just looks like a lighthearted random vote on something that caught his attention.

I think Beskar's been around the block long enough now to recognize Reenk's playstyle

I think he joined around Swords in the Moon which was my last game until just now.

Being honest, top of my head, I haven't played with Reenk Roink before.
(Cold Winter doesn't count, as he was lynched first round.)

Actually, Atheotes, I didn't kill you, however, if you wonder who might want to kill some one, you did first round kill Reenk Roink on his first game back. So using your argument, there are better choices out there.

We played together in Swords in the Moon... You even went after me there like here...

[Reenk Roink]

nation to nation all the world must come together face the problems that we see then maybe somehow we can work it out -ah-

Hmm, Beskar seems a little too into this discussion for Day One.

Unvote: Split
Vote: Beskar

Human behavior file 54627: How not to be seen.

1. Act uninterested.

2. Don't make your notes public.

3. Oops.

4. ?????

5. Profit!

the word is out -uh-
you're doing wrong -uh-
gonna lock you up
before too long -uh-

your lying eyes
gonna take you right -uh-
so listen up -uh-
don't make a fight -uh- -uh-

your talk is cheap
you're not a man -uh-
you're throwing stones
to hide your hands

Unvote: abstain, courteously
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I would vote Reenk Roink, but that would get ATPG lynched and nothing ATPG has done is scummy, while FactionHeir is purposely lurking.

I shall again

Vote: Beskar

On my one-bar internet connection. Will take a better look at things come Tuesday.

vote: GeneralHankerchief

they're all in line
waiting for you
can't you see?

vote: Reenk Roink

We need more than Michael Jackson... and it will give us ample opportunity to call a third on a bandwagon.

jam!

it ain't too much stuff (jam!)
it ain't too much
it ain't too much for me to jam!
it ain't... it ain't too much stuff
it ain't... don't you
it ain't too much for me to jam!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I take it the insinuation is that Beskar and I are mafia partners?

Well, when either he or I are lynched, which will probably be soon, that theory will go out the window. But I can't begrudge the attempt.

[Beskar]

Because I thought Reenk Roink was scummy for purposefully tying up the game, to in fact, save his own Mafia partner? His argument doesn't even make sense. I pointed out how it was weird there was only one Mafia kill in a two-Mafia game. As TinCow said, AskthePizzaGuy always gets first round lynched, and you got a very good player (which would be a benefit to the town) versus a lurker (another good player) not commenting at all and one Mafia never made the kill, it makes perfect sense.

We’re no strangers to love,
You know the rules and so do I.
A full commitment’s what I’m thinking of,
You wouldnt get this from any other guy.

I just wanna tell you how I’m feeling,
Gotta make you understand…

Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.

I think it is pretty evident that your only purpose is to be a distraction to the town, you have no arguments, no say, you make quotes out of order then post random lyrics.

Young man, there's no need to feel down.
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground.
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy.

Young man, there's a place you can go.
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough.
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.


Obviously, to be a townie, you must be a useless and serve no purpose other than spam the topic with lyrics. Definitely not a Mafia tactic.

[A Very Super Market]

Of course, everyone ignores lurkers.

Hi y'all.

Vote: Beskar

Hopefully, his 2000th post won't be something silly, like accusing me.

[Reenk Roink]

Because I thought Reenk Roink was scummy for purposefully tying up the game, to in fact, save his own Mafia partner?

FactionHeir wasn't Mafia most likely. Note that Askthepizzaguy purposely one upped the tally when it was tied himself, your standards don't apply to that because? He is your Mafia partner would be one explanation....

His argument doesn't even make sense. I pointed out how it was weird there was only one Mafia kill in a two-Mafia game. As TinCow said, AskthePizzaGuy always gets first round lynched, and you got a very good player (which would be a benefit to the town) versus a lurker (another good player) not commenting at all and one Mafia never made the kill, it makes perfect sense.

How does my argument not make sense when you and Askthepizzaguy both seem to want to vote against those who vote for the other?

I think it's better to lynch an active player than to lynch a lurker in the beginning. I believe the entire policy of lynching lurkers is cliched and lazy. It's a very easy fallback, especially for Mafia.

Obviously, to be a townie, you must be a useless and serve no purpose other than spam the topic with lyrics. Definitely not a Mafia tactic.

You mad? My lyrics, if you read them, carry quite the message and are pertinent to the game at hand.

[Beskar]

It is obvious that you are playing in the hands of the Mafia. How am I guilty for not changing my vote and you are innocent for changing it last second? It makes no sense, why would you change your fault last minute to purposely tie-off the game?

The fact is, if Askthepizzaguy is active, it is easier to see if he is Mafia or not, and attracts the attention to detectives, for them to investigate. Compared to some one who is a good player, completely lurking, who would escape the attention of a detective, and thus, not have his innocent checked, and then he reaches the end of the game and goes "Hai guis, I was Mafia!".

It's pretty obvious you are scummy, you try to justify voting for me, post-hoc, aka, I never aroused your attention until I accused you, then like a desperate Mafia, you are trying to post-hoc justify lynching me, just because I suggested you for doing so for purposely scummy actions.

[Reenk Roink]

It is obvious that you are playing in the hands of the Mafia. How am I guilty for not changing my vote and you are innocent for changing it last second? It makes no sense, why would you change your fault last minute to purposely tie-off the game?

I was piqued by ATPG trying to save his own skin. Not at all thinking he was Mafia or not at that point, but I thought it to be cheap. It turned out to be a great lead...

The fact is, if Askthepizzaguy is active, it is easier to see if he is Mafia or not, and attracts the attention to detectives, for them to investigate. Compared to some one who is a good player, completely lurking, who would escape the attention of a detective, and thus, not have his innocent checked, and then he reaches the end of the game and goes "Hai guis, I was Mafia!".

You sure this is how detectives work? At least in my case, as a detective, given nothing else to go on, I go after people who post less.

It's pretty obvious you are scummy, you try to justify voting for me, post-hoc, aka, I never aroused your attention until I accused you, then like a desperate Mafia, you are trying to post-hoc justify lynching me, just because I suggested you for doing so for purposely scummy actions.

Of course you never aroused my suspicion until you accused me.

That was when I saw there might be a potential link between you and ATPG. Something that was strengthened by an earlier reply of ATPG to GeneralHankerchief voting for you in round 1, and again in this round by ATPG just voting for GH after he again voted for you.

Lastly:

because i'm bad, i'm bad... shamon!
you know i'm bad, i'm bad... you know it! (bad bad-really, really bad)

YLC: 2 (Gibson, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 3(Reenk,GH,AVSM)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
GH: 2(Whiteeyes, ATPG)
Beefy: 2(Jolt,DiY)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

[Tratorix]

Though it pains me to type this, I don't really see anything odd about the way Beskar is playing. Voting to lynch lurkers, accusing anyone who accuses him, trying to discredit his accusers... It seems like his standard playing style to me. This whole lynching people like Beskar and ATPG early on is starting to get old. if you legitimately think he's guilty, fine, but we shouldn't lynch him because of how he plays. Ugh.

Vote: Beefy because we haven't lynched him in a while. i want to tie the vote and don't really want to vote for anyone else who has two so...

YLC: 2 (Gibson, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 3(Reenk,GH,AVSM)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
GH: 2(Whiteeyes, ATPG)
Beefy: 3(Jolt,DiY, Tratorix)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

Also, Fos: Gibson and DJgingivitis . YLC acting a bit weird doesn't equal mafia, it means he's roleplaying his role. Not a very good case to go on.

[Beskar]

I was piqued by ATPG trying to save his own skin. Not at all thinking he was Mafia or not at that point, but I thought it to be cheap. It turned out to be a great lead...

You mean AskthePizzaGuy never saves his own skin?!?!

News to me.

You sure this is how detectives work? At least in my case, as a detective, given nothing else to go on, I go after people who post less.

They usually go after the active ones, as it is easier to attempt to bandwagon them if they turn out guilty without revealing.

Of course you never aroused my suspicion until you accused me.

Yes, so all of this is a OMGUS, because you were caught out being scummy. Great logic there, batman, accuse people when they pick up your balant scumminess.

That was when I saw there might be a potential link between you and ATPG. Something that was strengthened by an earlier reply of ATPG to GeneralHankerchief voting for you in round 1, and again in this round by ATPG just voting for GH after he again voted for you.

Because obviously, I control AskthePizzaGuy's vote. I haven't got a clue for his reasoning, but it is unrelated.

[DJGingivitis]

Still nonetheless, his role is neutral (to the public eyes) but if he decides to side with the mafia one of these times then townies are going to get screwed. 2 quick votes can change the outcome of a round. I am referring to YLC in this matter and his option of selling his vote.

[Reenk Roink]

You mean AskthePizzaGuy never saves his own skin?!?!

News to me.

They usually go after the active ones, as it is easier to attempt to bandwagon them if they turn out guilty without revealing.

Yes, so all of this is a OMGUS, because you were caught out being scummy. Great logic there, batman, accuse people when they pick up your balant scumminess.

Because obviously, I control AskthePizzaGuy's vote. I haven't got a clue for his reasoning, but it is unrelated.

You know there are problems with basing your conclusions solely on what people do in the past. Also, there are plenty of times that Atpg has not tried to save his own skin, so basing it on past behavior is problematic right there.

I never consider the ease of getting a person lynched as the basis for a detective investigation...

I prefer to be called Robin. You can think it is a retaliation vote if you want, I like retaliation voting anyway.

[TinCow]

I pointed out how it was weird there was only one Mafia kill in a two-Mafia game. As TinCow said, AskthePizzaGuy always gets first round lynched, and you got a very good player (which would be a benefit to the town) versus a lurker (another good player) not commenting at all and one Mafia never made the kill, it makes perfect sense.

Don't assume one mafioso has been inactive/lurking. The mafioso could have only one kill between them, and there are also many, many reasons for mafioso to not use their full killing power, especially in the beginning.

FactionHeir wasn't Mafia most likely. Note that Askthepizzaguy purposely one upped the tally when it was tied himself, your standards don't apply to that because? He is your Mafia partner would be one explanation....

Anyone who doesn't save his own skin when he can is a fool. So sayeth me.

[Tratorix]

Still nonetheless, his role is neutral (to the public eyes) but if he decides to side with the mafia one of these times then townies are going to get screwed. 2 quick votes can change the outcome of a round. I am referring to YLC in this matter and his option of selling his vote.

Lynching neutral roles isn't our goal. Lynching the mafia is. While he could possibly be a threat in the end game, right now an extra vote wouldn't make much difference to the mafia and we only get so many lynches.

Anyone who doesn't save his own skin when he can is a fool. So sayeth me.

Ah, but ATPG has a history of simply meekly accepting his own lynch. For him, saving his own skin is a bit odd.

[TinCow]

Ah, but ATPG has a history of simply meekly accepting his own lynch. For him, saving his own skin is a bit odd.

It's been a while since I played with ATPG, but I recall his attitude shifting after about the 10th time that didn't work. The last few games I've seen ATPG in, he hasn't acted the same as his original suicidally verbose self. Given the results that style of play got him, I think that was a good move. That's also why I chose to save his bacon in the first round. ATPG reformed his play style, so he deserves a break from us.