Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[Reenk Roink]

Now you're stretching it a bit too far. There was no way anyone could have predicted we'd end up in a tie this round.

Prediction? Who cares about predictions, look at the results right now.

As soon as GH was killed, I pointed out that one reason might be for Beskar to take out someone who constantly voted for him (and made clear his suspicions and his intentions to continue with them) who also was not attracting much attention.

I'm sure you'll bring up the vacuous tool of WIFOM again... just remember, everything can be WIFOM...

[Caius]

Vote:Abstain

Will catch up later

[Askthepizzaguy]

I offer you guys my skills if you vote for Pedro instead of Beskar. He's got a really sweet mustache and if you vote for him all your wildest dreams will come true.

[Splitpersonality]

Oh alrgiht great!

Unvote, Vote:Pedro

[GeneralHankerchief]

Mafia IV was the really cheap profile-watching program, yes. Mafia V was the story of The Wanax. Mafia VI had you dogging Sasaki but the overlying narration, courtesy of Andres and Dutch_guy, was that the mafia was trying to find and destroy the Holmes program.

Also, to those that point to my death and scream "frame", I will once again point out the fact that it could have been a double-bluff.

Lynch: Beskar

[Askthepizzaguy]

This discussion is going a whole lot of nowhere; maybe someone can break the tie so we can end this shamefest.

[Beskar]

Why double? Why not Triple bluff? Where you say frame, of the frame? Why not even quadtruple bluff, where you say frame, of the frame, of the frame?!

When does the madness end?

[Splitpersonality]

The madness never ends beskar.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It ends when you die.

Lynch: Beskar

[Splitpersonality]

It ends when you die.

Lynch: Beskar

Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006

I find this funny

[Beskar]

*GeneralHankerchief opens his PM box*

"You have received an infraction for the following spam message: Lynch:Beskar; 1 point; this expires 25/08/09"

[White_eyes:D]

but I agree with GH....Beskar needs to go. If he stays around we well be dealing with him for half the game...and the Mafia can just slip in and put a killing vote on him....much like now...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, Beskar my heroic stallion, shall we have one last go? I'll always remember your tender touch, your pretty eyes, and your totally not scummy behavior that was unfairly bandwagoned by a town that doesn't believe in love anymore.

[Beskar]

If he stays around we well be dealing with him for half the game...and the Mafia can just slip in and put a killing vote on him....much like now...

No you won't, just don't bother with me, and focus on other people, it is that easy. Unless you are trying to hide something, hence your motive.

[Caius]

doesn't believe in love

What is love?
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
No more...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey Caius, I'll give you kisses if you vote for Split.

If you don't like that, I'll give you cookies.

[Caius]

Hey Caius, I'll give you kisses if you vote for Split.

If you don't like that, I'll give you cookies.

Disgusting the part of the kisses. I am catching up.

[pevergreen]

What is love?
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
No more...

Winner!

[Caius]

Winner!

[Khazaar]

I haven´t received my cookie yet, normally bribes are payed in advance. I might have to change my vote to save Beskar from the shame that is a public reveal...

[Sigurd]

Sooo ...

Split is the lynch of this round? I think he unvoted Beskar.

[TinCow]

Prediction? Who cares about predictions, look at the results right now.

As soon as GH was killed, I pointed out that one reason might be for Beskar to take out someone who constantly voted for him (and made clear his suspicions and his intentions to continue with them) who also was not attracting much attention.

I'm sure you'll bring up the vacuous tool of WIFOM again... just remember, everything can be WIFOM...

Sorry, you're right. The fact that you pointed that out completely negates the possibility that GH was killed to frame Beskar. I stand corrected and will blindly follow your lead whenever something appears to be uncertain. Thank you for lifting the heavy burden which results from thinking for oneself.

[Jolt]

Unvote; Vote: Split

Because I like to matter.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You saved my Beskar. You're awesome! Cookies and balloons for everyone!

[Splitpersonality]

My unvote wasn't bolded and it was a joke anyway, we were still tied at the time.

I figure I'm pretty dead right about now, Unvote; Vote:Splitpersonality so I'll be happy to go without too much fight now.

I want to urge the town to watch things, and also I don't really understand how I got completely bandwaggoned with no one saying more than "He's not beskar", because that's on one hand a little bs and on the other hand a little dumb for town, unless beskar's a pro-town, but there's still time to lynch him anyway.

Whatever.

[seireikhaan]

My queasiness about security was thankfully alleviated by a welcoming gesture by Shinzei Khan. He seemed to ba bit more discerning of the growing animosity in camp towards myself. As I took my position next to him for the council, I thanked him for the kind generosity he has continued to show me. He insisted it was merely a part of his duty. And with that, he initiated the council once more. Very quickly, for reasons I wasn't able to decipher, the council quickly narrowed matters down to two tribesmen. For once, the general milling about by the tribesmen during debate seemed to be greatly lessened, as nearly all took great interest in the outcome. As the sun was finishing its descent on the landscape, I informed Shinzei that we had a tie between the two. He announced, and without hesitation, a warrior quickly changed platform, accusing splitpersonality of being the spy. With that, he was quickly subdued by a handful of men who presented the man to Shinzei. Shinzei unsheathed his sword, and without a word, brought it down upon the man's skull, splitting it in two as though it were a mere cabbage. I turned my head in disgust, before heading back to my tent for the night, hoping that such a gruesome sight would be worth it.

-- The Record of Zhang Qian


spL1tp3r50naL1ty : 8 (ATPG, Sigurd, DiY, Khazaar, Beskar, Jolt, Tratorix, AVSM)
Beskar : 7 (Chaotix, Reenk Roink, pevergreen, YLC, WE:D, TinCow, Splitpersonality)

Askthepizzaguy : 1 (gibsonsg91921)
Tin Cow : 1 (DJGingivitis)
Abstains : 2 (Ichigo, Caius)
not voting : 1 (LW)


ORDERS NOW PLEASE! AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

[Splitpersonality]

I hope something is gained of this.

[Reenk Roink]

Sorry, you're right. The fact that you pointed that out completely negates the possibility that GH was killed to frame Beskar. I stand corrected and will blindly follow your lead whenever something appears to be uncertain. Thank you for lifting the heavy burden which results from thinking for oneself.

Is there a point to these overbearingly sarcastic comments that really have no point as they essentially are false attributions of statements to me?

I'll ask you again, where did predicting the lynch would be tied come in to the fact that GH's vote would have well, made a huge difference that round?

Not to mention the fact that it's not hard to see how it wouldn't be close given the opinions of many voters that previous round anyway?

I think it's reasonable to add a little more value to a notion that Beskar killed GH to take off someone who would be reasonably expected to vote for him again and wasn't looking like lynchbait...

Are you really looking for such a great deal of certainty (or absolute certainty)? Good luck in your search if you are. Go ahead and put votes on the likes of FactionHeir and YLC in the meantime.

[TinCow]

Is there a point to these overbearingly sarcastic comments that really have no point as they essentially are false attributions of statements to me?

Two reasons. First, they provoke a response. Second, successfully ridiculing an opponent's arguments is an effective way to sway opinion.

I'll ask you again, where did predicting the lynch would be tied come in to the fact that GH's vote would have well, made a huge difference that round?

There was no way for a single vote to have made ANY difference in the vote unless it was tied. Surely I do not need to explain why this is true.

Not to mention the fact that it's not hard to see how it wouldn't be close given the opinions of many voters that previous round anyway?

Pardon, but there was no suspicion on split at all before GH was killed. The main focus was entirely on Beskar and ATPG, whom you believe to be in league with one another. Their very relationship would have made it highly unlikely that both of them would have been the options for the lynch. One was always going to take the lead as the standard bearer for the Lynch ATPG/Beskar Party and without a third suspect the odds of a tie were minimal.

I think it's reasonable to add a little more value to a notion that Beskar killed GH to take off someone who would be reasonably expected to vote for him again and wasn't looking like lynchbait...

Then we simply disagree. As I noted immediately after the night results came in, my first thought was that he was framed. At best, I give it 50/50 odds. I simply disagree that Beskar killing GH should be given greater weight for some amorphous reason you have yet to define.

Are you really looking for such a great deal of certainty (or absolute certainty)? Good luck in your search if you are. Go ahead and put votes on the likes of FactionHeir and YLC in the meantime.

No need, I will likely be placing it on you next round. You still haven't explained your change in play style. You are not remotely acting like yourself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I may weigh in;

I am aware people think Beskar is guilty and so forth, and they're free to vote for him next round, but in my opinion the debate on Beskar has already been said and done. Quite honestly the issue feels overblown to me, from where I sit. It's clear he's not going to get very far with so many wanting to lynch him. I also feel that the division between various players over the issue is going to unduly color attitudes going into future rounds about who is a friend and who is a potential rival.

In short, this whole thing is becoming a convenient distraction and causing unnecessary divisions between townies. Most of the people voting for either candidate are going to end up being innocent, and just because you sided differently on the Split/Beskar vote, that doesn't automatically mean the opposition is scummy.

Of course it's scummy that I said that and yadda yadda; I'm starting to see Reenk's point on how useless WIFOM is.