Sony gave me Crohn's disease

[AlexanderSextus]

You obviously don't know much about Crohn's. It's an extraordinarily painful and humiliating disease that has no cure and for which medication is only marginally effective. The ability to get a prescription for medical marijuana for it in California doesn't even come remotely close to compensating for just how bad it is.

Point Taken, however there is ample evidence that medical marijuana does alleviate the suffering significantly.

[AlexanderSextus]

Now that's just not true, a contract isn't valid if it violates the law.

It is entirely legal for a citizen of the US to waive their free speech right by signing a contract. Now this does not necessarily mean they are waiving it across the board, but if you, say, join the US army, that is one way to waive your freedom of speech, pretty much any contract that stipulates regulation of content waives your free speech right.

[Whacker]

Point Taken, however there is ample evidence that medical marijuana does alleviate the suffering significantly.

Doesn't mean jack, son, so have a seat. I probably have Crohn's, it's in my family history and my aunt died from complications from it (and diabetes) a few years ago. Getting stoned does not alleviate pain much at all, no more so than getting drunk or hopped up on something else. This is experience talking here btw.

[Divinus Arma]

Drinking Mexican Water gives you Crohn's disease...

violently

[Beskar]

What they should do, is have servers for 18+, where people can say what ever they like with a disclaimer stating that they do not take responsibility.

Then Microsoft can wash their hands of the matter and simply say "if you got a problem, go on our kiddy servers" and these kiddy servers are extremely moderated (mainly through automatic scripts). While this makes a two-tier system, it seperates the kids from the adults, so any objections won't be there unless you go into the objectionable area.

[Banquo's Ghost]

What they should do, is have servers for 18+, where people can say what ever they like with a disclaimer stating that they do not take responsibility.

Then Microsoft can wash their hands of the matter and simply say "if you got a problem, go on our kiddy servers" and these kiddy servers are extremely moderated (mainly through automatic scripts). While this makes a two-tier system, it seperates the kids from the adults, so any objections won't be there unless you go into the objectionable area.

Not really practical. Most jurisdictions have laws that prevent certain things being said/posted (ie child pornography or grooming, exhortations to violence, arranging of terrorist away-days etc) and hold the forum owners/ISPs jointly responsible - unless it can be shown they took steps to moderate the illegality.

A company cannot simply disclaim its legal duties.

[Cute Wolf]

Stupid claims... lol

I suggest this guy to start playing another games in free online network.... because playing paid networks is rather trash....

Well, his disease seems original, as he only sue the medicine bill ...

[Beskar]

It is like Mc Donalds getting sued because some suicide bombers got a burger there before they did their activity. In the 18+ area, there is no children, thus no grooming, they can't exchange child porn, because it is voice/text communication. "Terrorist Away days" is completely uninforceable, so do you know that "let's go down to the pub" is a code-word to "Meet me under 5th Street Bridge"

[Banquo's Ghost]

It is like Mc Donalds getting sued because some suicide bombers got a burger there before they did their activity. In the 18+ area, there is no children, thus no grooming, they can't exchange child porn, because it is voice/text communication. "Terrorist Away days" is completely uninforceable, so do you know that "let's go down to the pub" is a code-word to "Meet me under 5th Street Bridge"

Perhaps. I didn't write the laws, but they exist and businesses have to abide by them.

[AlexanderSextus]

Doesn't mean jack, son, so have a seat. I probably have Crohn's, it's in my family history and my aunt died from complications from it (and diabetes) a few years ago. Getting stoned does not alleviate pain much at all, no more so than getting drunk or hopped up on something else. This is experience talking here btw.

http://www.cannabismd.net/crohns-disease/


See, it aint about getting stoned. With Med. Marijuana it usually never is. It's about the beta-caryophyllene in cannabis that reduces inflammation by turning on your brain's CB2 receptors which reduces inflammation.

I know my stuff man.

[TinCow]

http://www.cannabismd.net/crohns-disease/


See, it aint about getting stoned. With Med. Marijuana it usually never is. It's about the beta-caryophyllene in cannabis that reduces inflammation by turning on your brain's CB2 receptors which reduces inflammation.

I know my stuff man.

Inflammation is only one aspect of Crohn's. It's an immune disease where the body attacks itself. Reduction of inflammation is certainly nice, but it's not going to reassure anyone with a moderate to severe case. Once it gets beyond the mild phase, Crohn's results in numerous uncontrollable bouts of diarrhea per day. It is not uncommon for people to experience this 10 or more times per day, which makes leaving the house or going anywhere without easy access to a toilet very, very difficult. A reduction in pain and swelling doesn't do squat to make that any easier to live with. Nor does it help when the disease eventually forces you to get a colostomy bag because you've had a fistula that resulted in the removal of a large portion of your colon or lower intestine. Simply put, Crohn's causes symptoms which have a huge psychological impact on people that is often more devastating that the disease itself. Saying that someone with Crohn's is "whinging" about it is frankly insulting.

And I know my stuff too. I've probably smoked more weed in a single day than most people have in their entire lives. I've also sat and listened to a doctor tell someone I love that they have Crohn's disease.

[AlexanderSextus]

Saying that someone with Crohn's is "whinging" about it is frankly insulting.

Ok, look i'll admit that i shouldn't have said that like that, in all reality i was mad that the person was blaming sony.

I didn't mean to offend you, basically i thought that Med. MJ alleviated more suffering than it actually does. Why didn't you just SAY that you had used it before?

In any event, look, i'm sorry.

My little cousin Jay has Crohn's. He never seemed to be as bad as what you're describing so i admit i do have limited exposure to it.

[Whacker]

Ok, look i'll admit that i shouldn't have said that like that, in all reality i was mad that the person was blaming sony.

I didn't mean to offend you, basically i thought that Med. MJ alleviated more suffering than it actually does. Why didn't you just SAY that you had used it before?

In any event, look, i'm sorry.

My little cousin Jay has Crohn's. He never seemed to be as bad as what you're describing so i admit i do have limited exposure to it.

If it were nearly as effective as you're making it out to be, then doctors would be prescribing it instead of corticosteroids and other real anti-inflammatory meds and real peer-reviewed medical studies would support this. Neither is the case. The medical weed schtick is as old and tired and overused as the hippies that try to push it based on half-truths and half-assed 'studies'. I saw some of the links that were mentioned, and I could not find the actual study to read, but it seems to be yet another one of these "half-truths" where there may be some marginal effect, but the wording used to describe the study did not indicate to me that it was very scientific at all.

Don't get me wrong, I don't really care if people want to smoke up, hell I actually tend to think that legalization and taxation of it could have some real benefits. I'm in the same boat as Tincow, I did enough in high school and college to kill a herd of goats. It's just really damn annoying when people try to pitch the BS as some kind of miracle drug or as effective or a real alternative to modern medicine, when it's not.

[Husar]

Have you never gone to a witch-doctor?

[TinCow]

It's just really damn annoying when people try to pitch the BS as some kind of miracle drug or as effective or a real alternative to modern medicine, when it's not.

From my own personal experiences, conversations with some of my friends who are doctors, and conversations with my family's doctors, I do very much believe that marijuana is a very effective painkiller that avoids a lot of side effects of other medications. It also works effectively as a muscle relaxant. I agree it's not a miracle drug, but there's a lot of merit in using it for people with chronic pain problems.

It is true though that the medical marijuana argument is mainly used to boot strap to total legalization. Most people who argue for it don't really care about its medicinal properties.

[Whacker]

From my own personal experiences, conversations with some of my friends who are doctors, and conversations with my family's doctors, I do very much believe that marijuana is a very effective painkiller that avoids a lot of side effects of other medications. It also works effectively as a muscle relaxant. I agree it's not a miracle drug, but there's a lot of merit in using it for people with chronic pain problems.

To an extent I'd agree, but there's also a big strawman in there begging to be set alight.

I have also spoken to friends and relatives in the medical profession about this, and yes I believe it does have some benefits, but they are not nearly as effective as their real medical brethren. The benefit one gains from what's inhaled burning into their lungs is not nearly as great as one would get from medically synthesized and modified opiates.

The pain relief part is the strawman, which to me is a total joke. One can get pain relief from a wide range of other means, from simple ibuprofin all the way up to other illegal crap like heroin. The key point is that there are much safer ways of getting pain relief without the harmful side effects. In the case of weed, the secondhand smoke could be harmful to others, when it's going to be harmful to the user.

It is true though that the medical marijuana argument is mainly used to boot strap to total legalization. Most people who argue for it don't really care about its medicinal properties.

Such is the same conclusion I've drawn over the years. I've never heard anyone argue for it that isn't a regular or semi-regular recreational user, and the majority have been varying degrees of ignorant. Such is my personal, anecdotal experience though, which could eventually change and should be taken for what it's worth and at face value.

[TinCow]

The pain relief part is the strawman, which to me is a total joke. One can get pain relief from a wide range of other means, from simple ibuprofin all the way up to other illegal crap like heroin. The key point is that there are much safer ways of getting pain relief without the harmful side effects. In the case of weed, the secondhand smoke could be harmful to others, when it's going to be harmful to the user.

Marijuana is definitely not the best pain killer out there, but it does provide a much faster relief time than most other prescriptions simply due to delivery method. Pills take a while to digest and move through the system, while inhalation results in relief within a few seconds. The only thing I've ever seen that's faster is IV pain killers, but those don't tend to be prescribed outside of hospital or hospice. I've always wondered why drug companies haven't pushed inhalation delivery systems for pain killers for this reason. Surely they could just make a liquid version and stick it in something like an asthma inhaler?

[Whacker]

Marijuana is definitely not the best pain killer out there, but it does provide a much faster relief time than most other prescriptions simply due to delivery method. Pills take a while to digest and move through the system, while inhalation results in relief within a few seconds. The only thing I've ever seen that's faster is IV pain killers, but those don't tend to be prescribed outside of hospital or hospice. I've always wondered why drug companies haven't pushed inhalation delivery systems for pain killers for this reason. Surely they could just make a liquid version and stick it in something like an asthma inhaler?

That's a very good question. My best guess is that it'd have to do with ease of access coupled with probability of dependency, i.e. abuse. There are psychological associations involved in swallowing a crap-ton of pills. Another possible explanation is that it's really hard to get certain opiates or solutions to work well in an aerosol type delivery mechanism.

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