The Death of Respect

**Reverend Joe** · 07-27-2009, 05:36

WON'T SOMEBODY, PLEASE, THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

It's all in your heads, people, relax. If there is indeed a "loosening of morals," then it will have no more impact than the 1920's in America; in other words, none at all, apart from nostalgia. And I think I can safely say that there is no nostalgia worthy of this moment in time. In fact, most of the sensible people I know are just that; sensible, respectful, and not idiotic. Idiots will be idiots, but as long as there are intelligent people the idiots will not destroy society.

As a matter of fact, I am actually far more concerned about conservatism and the limitation of my own freedoms at the moment than I am of a mass collapse of society.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 07-27-2009, 07:24

Originally Posted by Reverend Joe

WON'T SOMEBODY, PLEASE, THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

I believe you are looking for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

**Ja'chyra** · 07-27-2009, 07:50

This subject is one of my, many, bugbears.

On the one hand I see a total lack of responsibility for a lot of youngsters these days but on the other hand does anyone seriously expect me to believe that things really were better in the good old days? So there wasn't underage drinking or knife crime pre 60's? No gangs or violence? Right, I'm from Glasgow and looking at the older generations I know better, but it's easier to forget about these things as time goes on.

As for lack of responsibility, my girlfriend has an 18 year old daughter who has just moved out to stay with her friends, good for her and 18 is quite young for this, but, and here's the rub, her mum still pays for her mobile phone, paid for her holiday and passport, bought her a car for her 18th and still sends her pocketmoney once a month. I've tried to explain that she's not doing her any favours in the long run but to no avail.

My nephew is even worse, he's 8 years old and gets over £10 a week pocket money as well as more money whenever he asks, he won't wear any trainers except Nike and got, among other things, a laptop for his christmas. This is where I think things go wrong, kids have no idea on the value of things as they are all too easy to come by.

Don't even get me started on welfare, national service is not the answer but there's absolutely no reason why the unemployed can't be doing something constructive for their cheque even if it's picking up litter, tidying parks or clearing streams, things are just too easy for people these days and there's no incentive to make any effort for a lot of people.

**Husar** · 07-27-2009, 11:42

Well, concerning the nothing has changed crowd, I did not know that 20 years ago there were schools were teachers were afraid of their students, in fact, teachers 50 years ago could still cane students on their hands and the students behaved. Nowadays we get the newest horror stories where students hang a teacher out of a window and force her/him to do what they want. It's of course not just the children who changed, they just realized that nowadays with all the social appeasement, they can get what they want through violence and all the adult wusses will be scared and shocked, some years ago all the adults would have caned them for that sort of behaviour.

One more reason to slap your kids reasonably when they deserve it.

**HoreTore** · 07-27-2009, 11:44

Uhm......

Just how is it worse that it's the students doing the violence thingy now, while it was the teachers who did it in the past?

**LittleGrizzly** · 07-27-2009, 11:49

Adults beating children on thier whim is proper discipline... Children beating adults is the downfall of society...

Things get better and things get worse at the same time imo.

50 years ago having gay sex was still an illegal act. Now we allow gays to marry and officially recognise thier marriages... we may have more anti social behaviour (though it could just be more people, more crowded and more coverage) but for the most part things get better imo.

**rory_20_uk** · 07-27-2009, 12:05

Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

Adults beating children on thier whim is proper discipline... Children beating adults is the downfall of society...

I suppose one argument would be that adults justify their actions based on the rules of society and so is constructing society (although many might not like the model); children beating adults rarely if ever have the justification of their actions, and hence is undermining society.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 07-27-2009, 16:25

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Just how is it worse that it's the students doing the violence thingy now, while it was the teachers who did it in the past?

A slap with a cane as legitimate punishment for doing something wrong versus hanging a teacher out a window or grabbing him by the throat because you don't like a decision.

I can't see a difference either.

**HoreTore** · 07-27-2009, 16:54

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

A slap with a cane as legitimate punishment for doing something wrong versus hanging a teacher out a window or grabbing him by the throat because you don't like a decision.

I can't see a difference either.

So that means it's ok for my boss to hit me if I'm out of line, right?

And it's perfectly alright to slap my gf if she's out of line too?