Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[White_eyes:D]

Could you change that to Vote:Beskar??

It feels like your trying to get off on a minor technicality by saying Lynch:Beskar

[Death is yonder]

Vote:Beskar?

[DJGingivitis]

vote:Tratorix because it means nothing but something at the same time.

[Khazaar]

Vote: Beskar

[Sigurd]

Could you change that to Vote:Beskar??

It feels like your trying to get off on a minor technicality by saying Lynch:Beskar

hehe... Sorry about that. I am getting old or somtin.

vote: Beskar

[Reenk Roink]

So if I am following this, Beskar revealed to Atpg and Atpg was his patsy, in the same way Atpg did to me. Now they've had a falling out. About time. Though the connection between the two was never hidden well, even after Atpg revealed to me, I could infer from his posts that his contact was Beskar.

Now then, I am disappointed in Atpg for not talking to someone else about Beskar. It could have been me or another of the "innocents" to cover his bases. He did an unnecessarily risky play and got bailed out thankfully. Had Beskar went off and killed Atpg, then none of this could have been revealed.

I like the White eyes case of Sigurd-Beskar. Sigurd's votes on Beskar all seem staged in the early round to create that separation, though he would not put a lynching vote on Beskar until now, when it's too late.

Lastly, if you look at the kills, they make even more sense that Beskar is doing them than Atpg. GH, YLC, myself, all were apt to vote against Beskar.

I would lynch:

Beskar
Sigurd

Then if the game isn't over reevaluate. Atpg should be a prime target at that stage. I think White eyes has cleared most of his guilt, by by this time, he should also be checked out.

By the way, my vote doesn't count. I am in a catch-22. If I don't vote I will be WoK'd but I also can't vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had all of this revealed to AVSM in advance, because he was the last remaining "investigated".

So don't be too disappointed, I had a plan. Had I died and no one gotten my "six" clue, AVSM could have explained it. And I still would have been going *ahem*Beskar*ahem*

[Reenk Roink]

I had all of this revealed to AVSM in advance, because he was the last remaining "investigated".

So don't be too disappointed, I had a plan. Had I died and no one gotten my "six" clue, AVSM could have explained it. And I still would have been going *ahem*Beskar*ahem*

I see, good job in that case.

However, now I have a theory that goes against the Beskar is scum thing.

Knowing that this is probably how Atpg would react after there were again 2 kills after Ichigo was lynched, why wouldn't Beskar kill Atpg?

It would lend credibility to the story that Atpg was detective (so by implication Beskar was detective) and avoid Atpg being able to DIRECTLY spill the beans. Yes there would be AVSM to worry about, but given his play, I wouldn't really be inclined to believe him immediately, like I would Atpg who has direct contact.

Or why wouldn't the Mafia (if Beskar is Mafia) kill just one to avoid this situation in the first place.

It just seems like such a dropped ball to kill two people and not make Atpg one of them... Maybe I'm having Beskar think like me and do what I would do, but I don't really think these are hard to think of scenarios...

[TinCow]

It just seems like such a dropped ball to kill two people and not make Atpg one of them... Maybe I'm having Beskar think like me and do what I would do, but I don't really think these are hard to think of scenarios...

It's seem like an irrelevant question, since Beskar has admitted to being the 'detective' as well. Beskar specifically said that he did an investigation and found Ichigo guilty:

I'll like to note, the reason Ichigo was investigated twice was because PizzaGuy and Sigurd both knew about the first one when no kills occurred. PizzaGuy was very adamant not for him to be investigated again, when he was, he was found guilty. Just a note.

(emphasis added)

So, Beskar claims to be the detective and claims to have gotten a guilty result on Ichigo. Ichigo was lynched but the number of kills didn't drop. While there are other explanations for this, the strongest one is that Beskar is lying about being a detective.

[Reenk Roink]

It's seem like an irrelevant question, since Beskar has admitted to being the 'detective' as well. Beskar specifically said that he did an investigation and found Ichigo guilty:

(emphasis added)

So, Beskar claims to be the detective and claims to have gotten a guilty result on Ichigo. Ichigo was lynched but the number of kills didn't drop. While there are other explanations for this, the strongest one is that Beskar is lying about being a detective.

Well that entire theory is based on Beskar claiming detective...

And I frankly believe it lends a lot of support to questioning Beskar's guilt. After all, the entire assumption of 2 Mafia = 2 kills is weak and it seems to be the major reason in Beskar's lynch while other considerations such as potential Mafia actions are being ignored...

Then again, Beskar might just have dropped the ball...

[Beskar]

So, Beskar claims to be the detective and claims to have gotten a guilty result on Ichigo. Ichigo was lynched but the number of kills didn't drop. While there are other explanations for this, the strongest one is that Beskar is lying about being a detective.

Yes, the strongest one is that I am lying if you don't actually know what has occured, I entirely agree, however, Ichigo was Mafia and that is a fact. You are also missing that there was only one kill in the beginning as well, your own 1 kill 1 mafia theory falls apart there. Why was only one of the Mafia killing in your theory? doesn't it make more sense for them to kill?

What is probably closer is that Khaan made it so the Mafia could only have one kill, which either one could do or only one with the ability to kill, then during the no kill stage, as White_Eyes:D suggests, they now had the ability to do two kills. Remember the tails of the comet and they were two? Some people suggested it meant two Mafia, but it was probably meaning "there are now two kills" as after it, two kills occurred each night.

You can lynch me, but I didn't lie and I obviously been set-up by Pizza Guy, because if I was Mafia, wouldn't I just killed him in order to keep the secret sealed? It makes no sense for him still to live.

[Beskar]

It would lend credibility to the story that Atpg was detective (so by implication Beskar was detective) and avoid Atpg being able to DIRECTLY spill the beans. Yes there would be AVSM to worry about, but given his play, I wouldn't really be inclined to believe him immediately, like I would Atpg who has direct contact.

Or why wouldn't the Mafia (if Beskar is Mafia) kill just one to avoid this situation in the first place.

It just seems like such a dropped ball to kill two people and not make Atpg one of them... Maybe I'm having Beskar think like me and do what I would do, but I don't really think these are hard to think of scenarios...

You are missing another fact, Pizza Guy told me that he told AVSM, all I had to do if I was Mafia was kill them both and it would never have got out. Unfortunately, it is a catch-22 where I can't kill, thus it comes out. I think this is more likely a set-up, at first I thought it was White_Eyes:D setting up ATPG, but it looks like ATPG really pulled the rug out under me, because he wanted to avoid getting lynched.

FOS: AskthePIzzaGuy

You have to remember, I wasn't in the firing line, ATPG was. He is known for his diamonds and he just did it again and again, the town falls for it.

[Reenk Roink]

You have to remember, I wasn't in the firing line, ATPG was. He is known for his diamonds and he just did it again and again, the town falls for it.

Atpg is pretty screwed due to all the dirt on him as well, he's been caught badly. You just happen to look more dirty.