Syracusan Hoplites

**Phalanx300** · 08-04-2009, 23:15

Originally Posted by bobbin

Don't know how your getting that idea, they're talking about a specific unit which seems to have some issues with its sources not a whole faction.

That said I have never believed Syrakousai would be a faction so I wouldn't be too bothered if it was absent.

Syracuse faction - Syracusian Hoplites.

See my point?

**Watchman** · 08-04-2009, 23:17

Originally Posted by Phalanx300

Syracuse faction - Syracusian Hoplites.

See my point?

wat

**Bucefalo** · 08-04-2009, 23:34

There could be a Syrakousai faction that uses the same Hoplites as of the koinon hellenon.

**Phalanx300** · 08-04-2009, 23:45

Originally Posted by Bucefalo

There could be a Syrakousai faction that uses the same Hoplites as of the koinon hellenon.

Would be weird to have a rebel people with more unique units then a new faction right?

**bobbin** · 08-04-2009, 23:57

Originally Posted by Phalanx300

Syracuse faction - Syracusian Hoplites.

See my point?

I do but i don't think you see mine, no Syracusian hoplites doesnt mean no Syracuse it just means that particular unit might not be in (due to the problems with the sources for it).

**moonburn** · 08-05-2009, 00:33

so the skin would still remain they would just tweak the unit into a regular hoplite

altough i believe a syracuse massillian alliance would rock with permanent stone forts to show that neither massillia nor syrace controled their regions but only their city´s and to have effective control of the region either bribe the rebels in the psf or conquer them

this reminds me can psf rebel ?? i mean seriously if they are to depict smaller cities they should be able to rebel to your cause :X

ofc one would have to have 2 bars about public order one in the main city and one in the surrounding area (region)

**Phalanx300** · 08-05-2009, 14:32

Originally Posted by bobbin

I do but i don't think you see mine, no Syracusian hoplites doesnt mean no Syracuse it just means that particular unit might not be in (due to the problems with the sources for it).

I understand that. But thats like having a Spartan faction without having Spartan Hoplites.

**abou** · 08-05-2009, 15:12

Dude, it's a Greek city state; what do you expect? The standard hoplite wouldn't be any different from any other. Do you think the Successors should have different standard phalangites just because they're different states?

**antisocialmunky** · 08-05-2009, 16:15

They do have different 'standard' phalangites... the only one they all share are the Pezheteroi which are rather highend units. Bad example?

But yeah the point is that the Greek City hoplites were very similar and differed only in name only. I rather get a realistic pushing hoplite phalanx rather than work on an underhanded hoplite spear animation.

**abou** · 08-05-2009, 16:46

I think underhand will probably very quickly disappear from the majority of units still using it in EB1. I posted this a while back for those of you who haven't seen it: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=116254

**antisocialmunky** · 08-05-2009, 17:29

What underhand spears are there besides those for the ('pseudo) phalanx units like Phalangites, Iph. Hoplites, Alpine Phalanx, German Phalanx, and other units like those are in EB1?

**tls5669** · 08-13-2009, 04:49

Originally Posted by abou

Dude, it's a Greek city state; what do you expect? The standard hoplite wouldn't be any different from any other. Do you think the Successors should have different standard phalangites just because they're different states?

What about Massilia?