The U.S. Health Care Debate

**Tribesman** · 08-10-2009, 22:01

Or perhaps he can get a job with a normal company that provides normal benefits.

You should know that over the past few years companies and health care providers have been narrowing the scope of what they consider normal.

**rvg** · 08-10-2009, 23:50

Originally Posted by Tribesman

You should know that over the past few years companies and health care providers have been narrowing the scope of what they consider normal.

No, they've been increasing the share that the employees have to shell out. Quite different from redefining the standards of normalcy. My insurance, for example has remained unchanged of last...umm...10 years. Still covers same stuff as it used to.

**Tribesman** · 08-11-2009, 00:20

No, they've been increasing the share that the employees have to shell out.

So your employer still provides for the normal cover but the employee has to pay more for the normal cover.
Yep thats not redifining the normalcy

**rvg** · 08-11-2009, 00:24

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So your employer still provides for the normal cover but the employee has to pay more for the normal cover.
Yep thats not redifining the normalcy

Not in my book.

**Tribesman** · 08-11-2009, 00:30

Not in my book.

Perhaps you had better send your book back to the publishers with a note complaining that their proof readers were asleep on the job.

**rvg** · 08-11-2009, 00:37

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Perhaps you had better send your book back to the publishers with a note complaining that their proof readers were asleep on the job.

oooo I burn..... Can't believe you didn't sense being goaded. You're becoming way to predictable.

**Marshal Murat** · 08-11-2009, 03:04

President talks sense

Basically Obama says that the Canadian healthcare system wouldn't work in the US.

**Xiahou** · 08-11-2009, 03:12

Pelosi and Hoyer call those protesting healthcare reform "un-American".... but, I thought dissent was the highest form of patriotism.... I guess it depends on whether or not you agree with her.

Originally Posted by Lemur

The problem is that if we do that… we’ll still have the present healthcare system. Meaning that we’ll have (1) flat-lining wages, (2) exploding Medicaid and Medicare costs and thus immense pressure for future tax increases, (3) small businesses and self-employed individuals priced out of the insurance market, and (4) a lot of uninsured or underinsured people imposing costs on hospitals and local governments.

Frum must've missed the part where the CBO said that the proposed bills would accelerate cost increases. None of the proposals in Congress do anything meaningful in terms of controlling costs, so yeah, I'd consider it a win if none of them passed.